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RSNs and JIP

Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by John W, Mar 2, 2011.

  1. Mar 2, 2011 #1 of 32
    John W

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    Would anyone in their right mind believe what I was just told in Dish Network chat that tonight's 9 PM Blackhawks game, available from the start in SD, is being JIP'd in HD at 9:30 because "the provider is not making the HD broadcast available" for that first half hour? I assume it is a Dish issue with so much HD sports programming on tonight. Just tell the truth.
     
  2. Mar 2, 2011 #2 of 32
    ehren

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    LOL it's actually true in a sense but that is for Canadaian viewers. Rogers Sports net cannot broadcast until 8:30 central time because TSN has an exclusive window agreement with the NHL. Which was 6-8:30

    The real reason is Dish continues to hose us with very limited bandwidth for RSN HD channels. So likely Dish had to wait for an early game to end before they can show the late game.
     
  3. Mar 2, 2011 #3 of 32
    slt101

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    I used to get the same answer from Dish that it was the providers fault although when I pushed them for a better reason they actually said that they did not have the bandwidth to do all games in HD. Wait till baseball starts and they still have basketball and hockey still going on, it gets even worse. At least you get your RSN's, here in NY they took MSG off so there is no sports this winter.
     
  4. Mar 2, 2011 #4 of 32
    ehren

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    lol we got oprah in hd!!!
     
  5. Mar 2, 2011 #5 of 32
    trh

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    The DirecTV Guide had "Flames @ Blackhawks (JIP)" for the Calgary channel; but the Comcast Chicago channel didn't have JIP listed. First time I've ever seen "JIP" on the guide.

    From NHL.com:
    Must have been the Pittsburgh/Toronto game on Versus that caused this to happen.
     
  6. Mar 2, 2011 #6 of 32
    ehren

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    Good grief I guess what I explained isn't credible enough. Nothing to do with Versus.
     
  7. Mar 3, 2011 #7 of 32
    John W

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    What more could we ask for?
     
  8. Mar 3, 2011 #8 of 32
    Jhon69

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    Well? Something is better than nothing.;):D
     
  9. Mar 3, 2011 #9 of 32
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    No. Not even close. :nono:
     
  10. JoeTheDragon

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    Well CSN Chicago some time does do (JIP) for some FSN stuff.

    Also a game on CSN + HD will move over to the main channel (when the game on the main channel is over) with it also still being on CSN + to the end.
     
  11. JoeTheDragon

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    but if there is a WGN game then that exclusive does not blackout to the wgn games. Canadaian WGN is WGN 9.
     
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    Both Dish and DirecTV have limited satellite bandwidth. DirecTV has chosen, for good or bad, to use much of their bandwidth for RSNs in HD, while Dish, for good or bad, has chosen to use a similar amount of bandwidth for national HD networks that DirecTV doesn't carry. Obviously, customers of both services would prefer to have everything, but for a number of reasons, that isn't possible, so you have to choose the service that best fits your needs.

    If HD RSNs are a priority, then being a Dish subscriber doesn't make a lot of sense. If national HD networks are more important to you (BBCA, AMC, etc.), then being a DirecTV subscriber doesn't make a lot of sense.

    Constantly complaining about something that you know isn't going to change is just pointless.
     
  13. ehren

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    YAY! and I will keep annoying you until you jump off the Bay bridge.
     
  14. SWTESTER

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    We are trying to annoy DISH. :lol: :D :hurah:
    RSN's in HD DISH You are losing lots of subscribers.
    I will switch to Directv for baseball as Frontier has a really good bundling deal.
     
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    Similar issue a few weeks ago when Rod Brind'Amours jersey was retired. The ceremony was at 7pm with the game at 8...game was in HD, ceremony was only available in SD. This wasnt a matter of lack of bandwidth (because any game going on at 7pm is still going on at 8)...it was just a matter of not paying attention, as there was no reason the entire broadcast wasnt available in HD

    My RSN also produces a lot of college games in widescreen (not HD)...I realize that not being HD should put them low on the totem pole, but when there are plenty of slots available, theres no excuse for not including them...and since FSN framed them for 16:9, it was awful to watch, as the ball was routinely off screen during play.

    My contract is up this summer, and Im very much leaning toward switching to DirecTV. I always hear how Dish is supposed to be cheaper, and yet even after you remove the promos, DirecTV still comes out ahead (at least for what I want)...
     
  16. RasputinAXP

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    None of us will ever debate that if you want full time rsns you'll prefer direct.
     
  17. inazsully

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    None of us? Speak for yourself. If you NEED RSN's right now then you need "D", but if you want "E" and RSN's in HD 24/7 then this is a good place to let Charlie know that to many, RSN's in HD 24/7 is a big deal. We know from this venue right here that a substantial number of subs have departed and the RSN issue is mentioned many many times as a primary reason. I want RSN's in HD 24/7 and I'll pay extra for it if it's at least offered. I think many would be in that boat.
     
  18. RasputinAXP

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    Maybe I should have phrased it as "Yes, Direct has 24/7 HD RSNs and we don't, and aren't likely to for a long while"?

    Jeez, Sully, don't jump down my throat.
     
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    Sorry, didn't mean to jump. I just don't understand why "D" can give us RSN's in HD 24/7 and "E" cannot. I've heard all the blah blah blah about the national HD channels that "E" offers and "D" doesn't and if you want movies you need "E" and if you want sports you need "D". After years of hearing this malarky it seems that everybody just accepts that as the status quo. Comon, what is different about the infrastructure between "E" and "D"? Does one have more sats in orbit? Why do we have JIP? How is it that when nobody else in playing during a given time period we still are watching a live broadcast in SD? I'm not asking why we don't have RSN's in HD 24/7, I'm asking why "D" does and "E" doesn't. It can't simply be that "E" has more national HD channels.
     
  20. tampa8

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    First I don't blame anyone who has a priority for full time HD RSN's, or for the Yes and MSG networks to switch to Direct. Because of the sum of what Dish offers to me, though a huge Red Sox fan, I would put up with some games in SD. If I could not get NESN at all, that would be a different story and I would weigh my options.

    Second, Yes, it can be attributed to MANY more HD channels being carried by Dish. I didn't even realize how many more till I looked at the Direct site. It is somewhere around 15 more package channels in HD, something like another 10 overall, and that's not counting the Platinum pack from dish which has more than Direct has.
    I do not know how many slots Direct has compared to Dish, but that too could be a reason, it seems Dish carries more international programming.
    At times during the year, Direct of course carries NFL & MLB, but not really at the same time too much also. But I do not know, does Direct carry as many locals? There is alot that goes into why.

    I guess my point is, what is YOUR reason why Dish would not offer full time RSN HD?
     

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