S506 Update

Discussion in 'Hopper System Support Forum' started by SeaBeagle, Sep 30, 2014.

  1. thomasjk

    thomasjk Legend

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    The Hopper downloads guide updates during the day, not necessarily only at night.
     
  2. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    All dish IRD getting mandatory EPG updates each four hours plus any change in lineup anytime, see JL sticky thread
     
  3. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    The sticky tracks changes in the channel lineup (service and network tables) not EPG, but you are correct that DISH changes the EPG served by the satellite at least every four hours.

    The difference is in what the receiver does with those updates. Service and network tables (tracked in the sticky thread) are immediately applied by the receiver. I normally see changes on my Hopper about two minutes after the Uplink Activity report is kicked out by my monitoring software (or about five minutes after the table is changed).

    DISH receivers have three sources of EPG. One is a feed of Present/Next program which is carried on every active transponder. This feed is immediately applied but only affects display of the programs currently airing or the next program (on channels that have an EPG). The second source of EPG is a "two day" guide generally used by non-DVRs. The third source of EPG is a "nine day" guide generally used by DVRs. The two and nine day guides are not applied immediately, nor every four hours. The longer EPGs are only applied when the receiver is in standby.

    The Hopper will check and apply EPG updates any time that it is in standby. Older receivers check only during the overnight shutdown routine or when forced by the customer.
     
  4. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    I wouldn't comment this, as have not dig into logs for long time ... could be true, could be not. EEPG changing/updating interval I did trace here, it should trigger it's acceptance by FW, but without looking into logs, I wouldn't insist ...
    First DVR models [7100/7200 and 501/..] didn't reboot each night, BTW.
     
  5. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I think of it as a librarian changing the edition of a book on a library shelf. They may change the edition every four hours or every four weeks ... but the change isn't seen unless the library patron goes to that shelf and looks at that book.

    While DISH is changing the book - the transmitted EPG and EEPG (channels 36861 and 36862 respectively) - every four hours, the receivers are not looking every four hours. The receivers ARE looking at the present/next EPG transmitted on each active transponder (no channel number assigned) throughout the day and are updating the displayed EPG based on present/next information ... but they are not looking at EPG and EEPG channels.


    I refer to current models, not the antiques/obsolete.
     
  6. SeaBeagle

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    I do not see channels 36861 or 36862 on my guide.


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  7. P Smith

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    You can't, it a service ID, not channels with video audio stream
     
  8. tsmacro

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    Still not working for me either, it sure would be nice if they'd fix whatever they did to screw this up a few months ago.
     
  9. SeaBeagle

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    There is a channel out there 999 that is supposed to have DISH information but Hopper does not receive that channel.



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  10. thomasjk

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    The only work around is set manual timers for sub-channels 02 and greater.
     
  11. nmetro

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    I found to record on 20-2 (MeTv Denver), I had to set the timer so it would begin and end at the time the program runs; no padding of time. Also, it had to be a manual timer.
     
  12. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Channel 999 is retailer information. DISH 101 has public information about the receivers and system. Channel 103 is a Hopper only info channel.
     
  13. Blowgun

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    Is the OTA tuner the only way to receive local sub-channels?
     
  14. SeaBeagle

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  15. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    The OTA tuner is the only way to receive OTA broadcasts.

    In a few cases, in some markets, the sub-channels are actually channels that Dish carries... but in most cases those sub-channels are only available OTA.
     
  16. Blowgun

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    Thanks for the info. I'll have to look into getting one as there are a few things I wouldn't mind recording (eg: MST3K). Aside from the cost of the USB tuner, does DISH charge extra to use it, like they did/do for using an external hard drive?
     
  17. thomasjk

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    No. and no charge for EHD except for converting a 211 to DVR which is a one time $40.00 fee.
     

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