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Samsung Smart TVs Firmware 1024 and higher (RVU support) - Issues/Discussion

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Dec 10, 2011.

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  1. markrogo

    markrogo Godfather

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    There are cell phones that support frequencies from 700MHz to 2.4GHz, without batting an eyelash. There are single-chip radio solutions that are agile between 850MHz and 2100MHz today.

    Again, it's not like I don't know what I'm talking about. And what I'm talking about here is a hypothetical generic MOCA interface -- I didn't specify its chip count although it could absolutely be done in a single RF part with appropriate microprocessor support and some flash to store whatever code is needed. I'm not talking about -- nor were we until someone started chiming in about what's "impossible" -- just slapping some off the shelf pieces into TVs and calling it done. TVs don't get updated very often anyway.

    A generic MOCA interface that is sufficiently frequency agile to cover any and all MOCA frequencies is more than possible. Like I said at the beginning, it would take years to implement even if the TV mfrs. wanted to because of the standards process, etc.
     
  2. inkahauts

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    I think everyone would agree that know such animal exists today specifically for all moca ranges, but that it is also entirely possible to be done. Yes? Thats what I think at least, which is why I mentioned it and am hopefully someday they get smart and go that route.
     
  3. penetronn

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    Good thread. Here's to hoping those of you who have installers coming in the next couple weeks post some comments about functionality as well as some pictures of the Samsung client in action. I've used a lot of IPTV setups in my day and the majority have subtle buffering issues that show up when the camera pans or there are sports/news tickers at the bottom of the screen.
     
  4. jcricket

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    You're not gonna get an argument from me. I'm much more in favor of the single HR34 - less equipment + 5 tuners = Higher WAF.

    I can hold out until Feb/March without that much issue (since this is by far a secondary TV).
     
  5. markrogo

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    Actually, while I agree with you, every negative reply I've received is from people who seem to such a thing as some sort of technical impossibility. I tried to explain why it's very possible. And then I gave up.
     
  6. azarby

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    The question is not so much is it technically possible, but can it pass the muster for cost effectiveness, and the ability to get a diverse and strongly competetive industry to agree on a standard implementation. There is also the "Not Invented by Me" effect that would have to be overcome. Those decisions are not usually made by engineering but by marketing and management.
     
  7. damie45

    damie45 New Member

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    Is anyone using the rvu feature with a samsung tv as yet? If yes how are you liking it? I got the hr34 and a samsung d6400 with a h25 box hook up to it, I was wondering if I should just go with rvu instead of the box.
     
  8. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

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    Yes, I am using it and it works very well. It doesn't really work any differently than if there were a receiver at that location, and the cost is the same either way.
     
  9. damie45

    damie45 New Member

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    Thanks for the reply.
     
  10. harsh

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    The standard is there. The question is whether or not anyone in the CE client equipment space supports it.

    DIRECTV can't create the need on its own and until the major RVU players get some hardware certified, they're not lending much support for having the standard in the first place.

    At this point, RVU looks like a handshake interoperability agreement between DIRECTV and Samsung and that's not going to drive the industry. The lack of support by Samsung for MoCA Mid-RF annex or better definitely hurts DIRECTVs case.
     
  11. harsh

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    Tuning RF isn't uniquely a matter of setting bits in registers. The device needs to be designed to work at the frequency range desired. If it is running in that range (or perhaps at a harmonic), it is happy. Outside that range, performance falls off significantly.

    MoCA devices that are currently certified are set up for Channels D1-D8. Those frequencies correspond to 1150MHz to 1500MHz in 50MHz increments.
     
  12. azarby

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    Agree 100%
     
  13. inkahauts

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    Why? The point of my statement wasn't if DirecTV could get everyone to put in rvu' it was can moca get everyone to install a all favors moca so that hey will work with any device from any provider, and there are several providers out there going moca. No one provider can get all manufactures to do anything, but one technology used by many might be able to.
     
  14. azarby

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    That is exactly the issue. DTV can't do this by themselves. It would need to be an industry standard run by an Industry committe before all concerned would implement the technology. Do you know how difficult it is to set up an industry standard and get everyone to agree. It takes a lot of man power , money and time. My opinion is that at this point in time, DTV will not expend the resources ($$$$$) to to this on their own unless DISH and the cable box suppliers do the same.

    If you want to see this happen, you need to talk to DTV marketing and manegement. An engineering push won't cut it. There has to be a consumer pull to make it worth while.
     
  15. Drew2k

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    Consider how long "Pre-N" wireless routers were sold before "N" was officially ratified as the standard. Even with many router manufacturers preparing for "N" there were still many bumps along the way and it took a long time...
     
  16. azarby

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    Same goes for HDMI to reach an approved standard status. Intel and others put a lot of money into this. Believe me, my co-workers strugged for years to get that first draft approved.
     
  17. LameLefty

    LameLefty I used to be a rocket scientist

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    And despite now being up to . . . what, the 1.4 "standard", there are still incompatibilities between devices reported every single day. :rolleyes:
     
  18. Alan Gordon

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    Yep... almost every time I start a Blu-ray on my Blu-ray player, it causes my Blu-ray player and AVR to shut off... causing me to start all over again.

    If I unplug my HDMI cable until the disc starts playing, I'm good... :rolleyes:

    ~Alan
     
  19. MichaelG_STL

    MichaelG_STL Cool Member

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    I know it's not exactly "on topic" but does anybody know the resource for the Samsung firmware 1024 and subsequent versions release notes?
     
  20. Stuart Sweet

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    samsung.com

    Log in with your Samsung ID
    Go to your TV
    Go to Downloads
    Go to Firmware
    Click on the version.

    Here's what my TV said:

     
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