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San Francisco, CA HD Locals = CR*P?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by dvdguyjt, Feb 25, 2006.

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  1. dvdguyjt

    dvdguyjt AllStar

    Apr 22, 2002
    Hi all --

    I've had the HD locals for the Bay Area since December, and not once have I had a good experience.

    First, my setup:

    Component out to TV & Stereo audio out to TV. (Can't use 5.1 system with new baby in house)

    On the MPEG-2 network HD channels (Los Angeles feeds) everything is fine.

    On the MPEG-4 channels, its a different story.

    Channel 2 (KTVU) has terrible compression artifacting. Its so bad, you can see static objects shifting from across the room.

    Channel 5 (KPIX) is generally good visually, but at least 3 nights a week, there is a gurgling sound present in the audio.

    Channel 7 (KGO) Picture is fine, audio is always a bit out of sync.

    Channel 11 (KNTV) same as channel 5, but audio gurgling is ALWAYS present. It sounds like the audio does a slight skipping every second or so.

    Will Directv ever fix this stuff, or are they too busy trying to get as many HD markets online as they can?

    Thanks for the input.

  2. Mar 4, 2006 #2 of 11

    cesart New Member

    Jan 15, 2006
    I agree with all that you are saying. I have complained countless times to D* about these issues, and they always act like they have never heard of any of these problems. The latest software upgrade did little to alleviate the problem, especially with KTVU which continues to be unwatchable. I doubt they will do anything while they are busy getting all these new market up and running. I just hope they fix these issues before the baseball season starts.
  3. Mar 4, 2006 #3 of 11

    DaveTinNY Legend

    Nov 8, 2004
    Here in NY mine isn't quite as bad as you're describing however I do see a difference between the MPEG 2 channel 82 (NBC HD) vs the MPEG 4 channel 4 (NBC HD). I checked it last weekend during a live basketball game on NBC in HD and I could definitely make out the pixelation in MPEG 4 during fast motion vs the much smoother MPEG 2 signal.

    I'm happy I got the upgrade out of the way but I'm slightly concerned that we may be losing out on picture quality eventually. Time will tell.
  4. Mar 6, 2006 #4 of 11

    rollingstone Cool Member

    Dec 2, 2005
    Oh hi,

    Yes I have complained too (in the SF Bay area) I don't even use the H20 now. I get all network feeds but Fox on th TIVO box. Fortunately, nothing I watch is on FOX...yet.

    Another note, TNT HD seems to have the wrong scaling, not sure if this has been mentioned as I haven't read all the recent threads yet.

  5. Mar 6, 2006 #5 of 11

    JLucPicard Hall Of Fame

    Apr 27, 2004

    TNT HD "stretches" all programming that is not normally in 16:9 aspect ratio. The newer, truly HD programming (such as "The Closer" and most live sports programming, for example) appear in the correct 16:9 aspect ratio. Programs that are naturally 4:3 (including commercials) are all stretched to fit the entire screen.

    Generally, there are mixed feelings about that. Some are of the mind that they want to see the programming fill the entire screen - period. Others (myself included) would much rather see the programming in it's original ratio - be it 16:9 or 4:3.
  6. Mar 6, 2006 #6 of 11

    kaptron New Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    I just got the 5 LNB dish installed (my HDTV is set to arrive this week) but as far as I am aware I don't receive any of the MPEG-2 HD channels (channels 80-90), which would be helpful because I have an HD TiVo box. What did you guys have to do to activate these channels? Does it cost extra?

  7. Mar 6, 2006 #7 of 11

    JLucPicard Hall Of Fame

    Apr 27, 2004
    The HD package is a separate add-on package from Total Choice and costs, I believe, $9.99 a month. You could look at directv.com to see what channels are included.
  8. Mar 7, 2006 #8 of 11

    ChrisPC Godfather

    Jun 16, 2003
    The HD package is $9.99 and includes:

    ESPN2 HD
    Universal HD
    TNT HD
    Discovery HD Theater
    HDNet Movies

    You also have access to:

    HD PPV
    Spice HD PPV
    HBO HD if you have the HBO package
    SHO HD if you have the SHO package
  9. Mar 7, 2006 #9 of 11

    kaptron New Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    sorry, I should have clarified... here is my current setup:
    -5-LNB dish with HD package + HBO
    -local HD feed on channels 2-11 (MPEG-4)

    -HR10-250 - HD Tivo (MPEG-2 only)
    -H20 receiver

    Off air signal was impossible in my location (due to hills and trees)... I could only barely get one or two channels, so I gave up on that.

    So, my HD Tivo can record all the HD cable channels (HBO, TNT, ESPN, etc, channels 70-79) and my H20 can receive the local MPEG-4 HD channels... but I was wondering how people are getting the "local" LA or NY MPEG-2 HD feeds on channels 80-90, and if this would allow me to record NBC, CBS, etc. in HD on my Tivo? Currently my Tivo can only receive the locals on channels 2-11 in Standard, so I can't record any local shows in HD.

    Does anyone else have a similar situation or know what I'm talking about? I don't know much about it, but I heard that it is a legal/FCC problem that would prevent me from getting the LA or NY HD feeds (because local HD is already offered in SF, albeit MPEG-4 only).
  10. hiker

    hiker Icon

    Mar 1, 2006
    My situation is similar but I have not got the MPEG4 receiver or AT9 dish yet. I have HR10 and get the LA HD channels but I am grand fathered to receive those. Eventually they will force me to the MPEG4 channels, but since they don't have a MPEG4 DVR yet, it will be months or years. I don't think you will be able to get LA HD channels but it won't hurt to ask.

    How good is the MPEG4 signal strength during the rain storms we've been having? I've been losing the LA HD channels during the storms since they are on the 119 sat and my dish needs realignment so my 119 signal is weak even on clear days. I'm hesitant to ask for a realignment service call because they might decide to take the LA HD channels away and force me to MPEG4. I have Comcast basic non-DVR HD box for SF local sports including FOXBA HD which is not available on D*.
  11. digibob

    digibob Legend

    Dec 1, 2005

    You have the exact same set up as I do. I have had my HR10-250 for awhile now and had applied for the network waivers before the HD locals were available. ABC and CBS approved them. Fox and NBC denied them. I live in San Rafael and they claimed Sacramento was my NBC affliate.:nono2: It should have been San Jose. Anyway, I can record CBS and ABC shows but have to watch NBC and Fox live.:mad: I don't think they are doing waivers any more in the cities they have HD locals in.

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