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Sandy's Victims Just Got Issued A Blizzard Warning

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Drucifer, Feb 7, 2013.

  1. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    What is the situation? The storm or not being prepared for the storm?

    People don't cause the situation of the storm (ignoring Pat Robertson and Global Warming arguments to the contrary). But people's choices do lead to the situation of not being prepared for the storm.
     
  2. Hoosier205

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    We were talking about homelessness...not the storm.
     
  3. James Long

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    OK ... I didn't notice that it was the OT part of the thread. So ...

    What is the situation? The job loss or not being prepared for the job loss?

    People may not cause the situation of the job loss. But people's choices do lead to the situation of not being prepared for the job loss, or medical emergency, or whatever led to them being homeless.
     
  4. sigma1914

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    Not every worker and job makes enough money to make those situations reparable.
     
  5. James Long

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    If one is living within their income - including saving for emergencies - it makes it easier to weather the storms. Whether they be physical storms like Sandy and Nemo or storms of life.

    At the low end of the scale it may be harder to find something to set aside for emergencies. Food, shelter, clothing and transportation adds up. But poor choices ... buying a 57" TV when a 37" would do, paying hundreds of dollars for television service each month, buying or leasing new vehicles instead of a solid used vehicle, spending more than one can afford ... these poor choices can be avoided.

    I used to listen to a radio program where people earning $100k a year would complain about how broke they were. Their problem wasn't income, it was outgo. They made poor choices - and it was not until they learned to make better choices that their real problems were solved.

    It is easy to make poor choices. Such errors should not be rewarded. Especially at the expense of people who made better choices. (Unless, of course, the people making better choices also choose to help out those in need. Charity is a good thing.)
     
  6. sigma1914

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    Absolutely. I was just trying to say there's many people who live paycheck to paycheck and live within their means.
     
  7. Mike Bertelson

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    We got 25" but after the first two we had some sleet. It was some wet and heavy...stuff.

    It was a PITA to get off the cars because that sleet layer was frozen to car. It took me three and half hours with a snow blower.

    The fire hydrant was plowed over and it took me forty five minutes just to clear it out.

    I don't want to think about how long it would have taken without the blower.

    All in all it's not too bad. It reminds me a lot of '78. I was a teenager in north Jersey. I made a fortune shoveling. We even shoveled Phil Rizzuto's house. :)

    Mike
     
  8. Steve

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    Holy cow! :eek2:

    :p
     
  9. Cholly

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    True enough, but let them have a medical emergency requiring surgery and/or hospitalization or have their furnace or water heater die. They are pushed over the fringe. What are they to do?
     
  10. Mike Bertelson

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    !rolling

    It wasn't worth it though. Thirty inches of snow and he would only pay five dollars...of course we did it just so we could say we shoveled his house after the blizzard, but we never went back. :grin:

    Mike
     
  11. Rich

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    I've only rented once and know absolutely nothing about evictions. The one place I rented was in a high-rise luxury apartment building with a view to die for. We stayed there for two years and saw the county sheriffs sitting in the lobby many times with eviction papers in their hands. That I can understand, but if the whole building had gone into bankruptcy and all the tenants would have had to leave, how can that be the tenants fault? Would that not be the same situation you found yourself in?

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  12. Rich

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    Phil was notoriously frugal.

    Rich
     
  13. James Long

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    It reminds me of being downsized. One goes to the next potential employer with good personal references and work history but each potential employer sees that you were laid off from your last job. Why you? The same question one asks when one is laid off - even if in a group of people - "why me" is turned around and asked of them in the interview. "If you were so good at your last job why did they let you go?" Or at least you hope that they ask that question so you can explain.

    The same thing happens with an eviction on your record or a poor credit score when going to get an important loan. One has to hope that the person sitting across the desk making the decision to offer the lease, the loan or the job is "intelligent life" and does more than toss the application aside without asking why. Perhaps they heard one too many sob story from someone who deserved to be evicted, denied or fired so they don't ask for yours.

    I believe people don't realize how hard it is to find an apartment after eviction, a loan with bad credit or a job after being laid off so they do not PLAN for such an emergency. People ignore the possibility of catastrophic illness or the storms of life - they don't want to think about it - and then they become victims. They are still victims of the occurrence if they have thought ahead ... but they have the survivor mentality that will get them through instead of the victim mentality that will bring them down.
     
  14. RasputinAXP

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    "It's a hit! The Money Store does it again!"
     
  15. dpeters11

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    I certainly wouldn't consider it my fault, and shouldn't be, but if you're in the court system...

    In my case I was renting a condo, my landlord owned several in the building. Also, at that point, you could do a search online for all the Court records and get pretty much everything back, including DOB and SSN. Made it easy to check on someone.
     
  16. Rich

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    He did like getting paid for those commercials.

    Rich
     
  17. Rich

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    I've been talking to people about your near eviction and none of them know what steps should be taken in a case such as yours. All agreed that you shouldn't be punished or harmed in any way for something that is the landlord's fault, but when I asked how that could even happen, nobody had an answer. One question kept coming up: Why couldn't the next owner (you know someone's gonna buy rental properties) just continue the rental agreement? Why couldn't the court collect your rent and put it in an escrow account? Why would you have to be evicted at all? Far as I can see, you did nothing wrong. Very puzzling situation. Suppose it had been a 20 or 30 floor high rise apartment building that was going into foreclosure? Would all those folks be evicted? I do realize different states must treat these things differently.

    Rich
     
  18. Drucifer

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    In NYC, the rules are different for small multi-units dwellings and large ones in regards to converting a multi to one family use. But there been many cases, where the owner lied in order to get tenants out and make even smaller illegal apartments.

    There was a news story of a five story walkup tenement of railroad flat apartments, where a few tenants fought their evictions. The owner insisted he wanted the whole building for his personal use. Never did see any followup news report.
     
  19. Rich

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    NYC is a good example. What would happen if a whole high rise went bankrupt? Would everyone get kicked out? I can't find anyone that knows or has gone thru anything like dpeters11 went thru. And I don't doubt him one bit.

    Rich
     

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