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Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by chuckflarhu, Feb 6, 2006.

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  1. Feb 6, 2006 #1 of 41
    chuckflarhu

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    Had 211 and dish 1000 installed yesterday. Seemed to go ok. Saw ech using point dish function and had good signal strength.

    Later in the day I notice that I get either a scrambled or no signal at all on most HD channels above 9424.

    Looked at signal strength as told by Dish csr and it was at 47. They have a tech coming back out tomorrow and I get to waste my whole afternoon waiting for them.

    Is there anything I can do to help this myself, short of going on the roof. The CSR had me changing transponders but I am really too much of a noob to know what that does.
     
  2. Feb 6, 2006 #2 of 41
    Rogueone

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    129's signal was 47? yikes. I read in the LA locals thread something about 129 not being as strong as the others. That would be really bad for me as I am having all kinds of problems lately with rain fade and I have signals in the 120's
     
  3. Feb 6, 2006 #3 of 41
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    It's true, Rogueone. I'm in L.A. and 129 has much lower signal strength than my other three birds, about 67%.

    But at my last location, 148 was only coming in at about 55% and amazingly, I had very little problems with rain fade.
     
  4. Feb 7, 2006 #4 of 41
    Rogueone

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    that really scares me, as my setup is getting 110 to 120 with 110/119 and I'm getting constant rain fade lately. Something just doesn't seem right. Before I upgraded to DP stuff (at least I think I wasn't using DP stuff) I had a 501/301 from about 1999/2000, with just 110/119 and even during a Noreaster storm, and a blizzard, no fade. I might have had interruptions of 5 or 10 secs, but now, just this weekend, I lost signal for 10 minutes while it gently rained outside. Just a basic overcast day with drizzle.

    What doesn't make sense is, prior to upgrading to HD with a 921, and adding 61.5, I never had rain fade. After getting the 921 and the installer changed LNB's, I do recall that, I've had all sorts of rainfade issues. Dish keeps saying it's normal, had an installer come back out, everything was setup right as far as he was concerned, but yet I still get rain fade on signals that are close to 120 in strength. So what chance would I have keeping 129 locked in :) doh

    I was starting to think the problem was the tree my D500 has to look thru had grown back into the area the dish needs to look. But there are no leaves now, and saturday, there was no wind at all, just a light rain/drizzle. Just doesn't make sense it would be sooo good for 3 years , then get suddenly worse within weeks of that lnb change when I upgraded to HD. :(
     
  5. Feb 7, 2006 #5 of 41
    Jeff McClellan

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    129 is a tough bird to hit. When my installer did mine, he got 129 to about 50, and said he had to sacrifice some of the signal off of 110 and 119 just to get it to 50. When a bird flew over I would loose 129. Jason had stated something about altering 129 by about 3 degrees. I climbed up this weekend and did just that and readjusting 119 and 110. Bottom line is, 119 and 110 are near 100 and 129 is about 64. So it wont be as strong as the others but you can tweak it higher by allowing for the 3 degree difference.
     
  6. Feb 7, 2006 #6 of 41
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    47 way bad!!!!!! could get as high as 97 on 129 your tech may need to be retrained. got that signal in IA so it should not be to hard to get in illinois. hopfully your new tech does a better job
     
  7. Feb 7, 2006 #7 of 41
    chuckflarhu

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    they're here right now. I've got my fingers crossed. They definitly seem more "with it" than the last guy.
     
  8. Feb 7, 2006 #8 of 41
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    if you can before they leave go to 129 transponder 9. my first attempt was 87 which is real good without taking away from 119 or 110.
     
  9. Feb 7, 2006 #9 of 41
    sat tech

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    don't check when there peaking in the dish. it might screw them up
     
  10. Jim Parker

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    The local installer up here in Anchorage told me that the footprint for 129 does not cover us. Does anybody have a link showing what the footprint is? I looked around but did not find one.
    Thanks.
     
  11. chuckflarhu

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    didnt see your post till they left.

    Right now getting 75-80 on 129
    80 or so on 119
    106 on 110

    Everything seems to be going well.
     
  12. Jason Nipp

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    I put a 1000 in at my sister in law's home in Oswego, almost right next door to you. You should be able to get at least 70 where you are at, that is unless your trying to aim through the Cat plant.
     
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    Have been experiencing a drop in signal strength and occasional breakups on the 129 for the past few weeks. Initially thought it was weather related but the past two days have been sunny and not seeing improvement. It's been about a 10 point drop in signal strength for me (average 65 down to 55). Tried to tweak my dish 1000 yesterday and got a small improvement for 129 but it cost me on 110 and 119 enough that I put it back the way it was.
     
  14. Jason Nipp

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    Are you using the 3 DP Duals configuration or the DPP Twin/DP Dual configuration?
     

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    Neither is Hawaii. I belive someone at E* forgot to finish the map. :D
     
  17. Rob Glasser

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    I'm using the DPP Twin/DP Dual config. Does it make a difference? Is one better than the other?

    I live very close to Chuck and have had the same results and signals as him.

    Jeff, you mention the 3 degree shift, 3 degrees in what direction?

    Thanks
     
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    Rob, from what I have seen myself and from what I heard from users (all opinions), the all duals config seems almost spot on when aiming against the table. However, all opinions lead me to believe the Twin config may need to be tweaked in Az. and El. I would suggest taking the time to really peak the dish instead of living by the tables, personal opinion mind you.
     
  19. dale2345

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    I am experiencing similar trouble. I live 12 -15 miles north of Seattle and I have a Dish 942 with Dish 1000 (installed in November 2005). Immediately after the Dish 1000 installation I had problems with 129 (Voom channels especially 9470 Rave). My signal strength for the 129 transponders was ranging from 47 to 61. The Dish installer said that is what you could expect in the Seattle area! Channel 9470 would frequently pixillate and lose picture. After a weekend of this I called Dish technical and they sent a second Dish installer. He spent around 1 hour tweaking the Dish 1000 aiming and left with the signals for 129 increased by 5-6 points (maybe). I still encountered the same picture loss problems on 129.

    After calling Dish again and getting no satisfaction, I gave up and hired a local satellite installer to reinstall my unused Dish 1000 for 129 ( I have a DPP44 switch at the Dish 1000 support pole). This gave me signals on a sunny day from 65-66 on Transponder 13 to 80-82 on Transponders 10 & 12. The reading on Transponder 30 (for 9470 Rave) was 69-72. HOWEVER, I still lose picture like today durring the current sunny weather. When I experienced pixillation and loss of picture I checked the signal strength for Transponder 30. It was 45-47! But the strength on 10& 12 was 77 & 78 respectively.

    I can not see how on a sunny day (or any day for that matter) one transponder (30) can lose approximately 20 in signal strength while two other transponders (10 & 12) are only losing 4-5 (at the exact same time).

    A Dish technical person blamed it on possibly a degrading LNBF that was going bad. Has anyone else experienced similar problems?

    Dale
     
  20. Rob Glasser

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    Ok, I've pretty much already done that. Maybe I'll go up again and play with it. But based on what I'm seeing for others in this area I'm starting to pretty mch assume that Dish1000 + Seattle, WA = unreliable 129 signal.
     
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