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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by dvrblogger, May 3, 2007.
Yes... that will and does work today...
I read it as, transfering to a PC... and burning to PC-DVD
Baby steps? In other words, what they are doing on the HR20 is never going to become anything useful that the masses will use? They've been promising this sort of functionality for years now. I don't know about you, but I'm a bit tired of DirecTV taking 5+ years for many of the things they talk about. Baby steps.... You mean the same kind of baby steps approach that the HR20 has taken since day one? Just how many times does DirecTV have to release incomplete products before you say enough?
You also used the phrase, "dumping a ton of multimedia features". We're talking about a decent interface for playing back audio and photos.
The unit can already play audio. The unit can already display pictures. I'm talking about a user interface that provides these EXISTING features in a usable, useful and intriguing way. I cannot fathom that the current hardware is incapable of providing ANY of the things I mentioned. They may find that they lack the horsepower for very specific audio codecs (though I doubt that) but there's not a lot more that needs to be factored into the equation. Please explain how providing a user interface that is useful equates to "dumping a ton of multimedia features" into the box? See below. I mentioned 7. I can think of maybe 3 or 4 more I'd love to see out of the gate. When did 7 to 11 become a ton?
What's a disaster is putting forth a feature set that's of little use to anyone and potentially shows off how little they understand the needs of that area. Does that sound like a couple of past examples we're already familiar with around here?
What would get my interest, instead of a thread showing pictures of a lame (actual definition here) multimedia interface would be to commit to providing a fully realized multimedia interface. What they're doing so far is to tell people. "Hey look, we screwed around and did this half-baked job. It's not of much use but hey, if you can do anything with it, have at it."
So, let me touch on this a bit more closely:
1) Allow for storing of other media on the device.
In what way is this beyond the ability of the current hardware? Can someone please explain why storing an MP3, WMA, JPG, BMP or any other format would bring the HR20 to its knees? I don't see it. If the device can store its own system files and large video files it can certainly store these files. This should be a non-issue.
2) Allow for playback of these items.
This is already done except that instead of having to go out over the network it can actually do it locally off the current drive. This should be a non-issue.
3) Allow album art.
This could be done by using the Ethernet cable which is already being used. It could get the art from the folder structure already there, locally, or go out to an album art server. This should be a non-issue.
4) Allow band bios and other interesting information.
This is just grabbing data off the web. Is this in some way beyond the abilities of the hardware? If so, that's news to me. It seems to be able to connect to my PC just fine. Connecting to any other PC to grab some textual data seems a rather trivial undertaking. This should be a non-issue.
Okay, this one could take some horsepower and it's the one thing I could see them passing on but I suspect that the horsepower might be good enough to provide some basic visualizations. If they can't do it, I won't miss it. This should thus be a non-issue.
7) Internet Streams.
It already supports this via the server software. All it really needs is a way to segment these in the UI so that my net "radio" stations aren't just seen as songs due to a lack in UI support. Let the user, for example, create their own media categories and sub-categories. This is a non-issue.
So please guys. What exactly is it about my hope for this box that is so outrageous as to be beyond reach? All of this was said about the HR10-250 long before it got JavaHMO and HMO. Are you suggesting the HR20 is generations behind the HR10-250???
Bottom line is that nothing I've touched on is beyond the hardware of the HR20. It may be beyond the scope or desire of DirecTV but that's a different thing and that's in large part what I'm speaking up about. If they're going to go down this path, stop playing around. Dedicate a real team to this effort and give us something everyone will be impressed with. Wouldn't that be a nice change of pace?
I'll tell you right now that I'm not going to read that whole diatribe you just posted. The HR20 was (and still is) never even advertised as having any multimedia features. If you're not happy with what's there, don't use it. I look at it as icing on the cake, a feature that's a nice little extra that I use once in a while. It's not core functionality, it was never meant to be, so why treat it that way?
Because I actually would like to see DirecTV provide a product that actually goes beyond expectations. Again, wouldn't that be nice?
For someone so stoked about DLB your approach here is completely ironic.
It's been said before, from D* and Apple: D*+ HD iDVR.
I can see both sides of this issue and don't want to get in the middle of this, but I would hardly call his previous post a diatribe.
He just listed some functions he would like to see on the HR20.
I agree a 100% with you.
The screen shots and the new UI that is comming...
If you want to continue the debate on "what" a full multimedia solution should be... we can do that in another thread.
Thank You Earl Your the Man :bowdown: :icon_hroc
I am now really looking forward to actually seeing this NEW UI in person...
Agreed. Besides, one could just buy an AppleTV and use that with the HR20 and be done with it. ALthough, that would mean being an ealry adopter of some other hardware....
actually in 1/4 screen it should look just fine .
SInce we are not paying extra "you get what you pay for" is appropriate. If you shell out 300$ for an apple TV then that is where Apple is making their money.Over time the UI will improve as will the chips in future boxes allowing better performance , sexier User interface\, 2D/3D.
DIRECTV already promised VOD, streaming video from PCs and this new UI as well between now and year end pretty good if they can deliver.
DISH has been promising an external drive for 2 years and it is still 3-6 months away and they want to charge a 50$ fee to allow their customers to install it !
Their are hardware and business issues involved as well as philisophical ones.
1) adding MP3 opens you up to royalty payments and lawsuits (Microsoft just lost a major case)
2) HR20 hardware can only decode certain formats today and supporting HD images and scaling them on the HR20 requires quite a bit of CPU and memory. WOuld you be willing to live with pixelated recordings or messed up slideshows ?
3) DISH and AT&T in their products copy content to their hard disks. This approach while improving performance is problematic in that it eats up hard disk. Many music lovers have 5-30GB of songs and several gigs of photos. If your disk dies will you complain to DIRECTV about losing your content ? FInally by having the VIIV server the user doesn't need to copy their photos and music to / from every PC device it can be streamed and accessed with a few clicks. Want to create a really cool slideshow ? just use some software that creates a DVD slideshow and when video can be streamed you can play it on the HR20. Copying files requires writing a software app for every version of O/S Mac, XP, Vista etc and supporting this with updates . No small undertaking and full of networking/access issues so the VIIV approach to me makes much more sense.
They already support MP3.
It already supports audio and picture formats so this only becomes an issue if they try to extend that list to formats that have overhead issues.
If my disk dies I will complain to DirecTV about losing the content just as I would if the disk dies and I lose the last 5 episodes of all the shows I'm watching. So, even if this user has 30GB of music and 5GB of pictures, that's still not even the bulk of the drive and drives can be enlarged. There's no reason an HR20 couldn't get a 500GB drive in a few months.
The ViiV approach makes sense to you because you're mainly a PC person. Most people aren't.
Actually, it doesn't... It support LPMC
The Media servers (ViiV, Twonky, ect)... convert the MP3's to LPMC.
Am I missing something here? I mean, I can playback all of my music and pictures from the drive on my VIIV PC, and other than not being able to see the whole song title, I'm really satisfied with the media features. Sure, a better interface would be nice, but even if they never changed it from what it is, it is pretty cool. I can finally play my music collection in my living room! Do I want better? Sure, I always want better. But, if it never got better, I'd still be happy.
What if I told you that you needed your PC to be on to record or watch any of the TV shows you have? Would that be fine with you too? If so, why do you need the HR20 at all? You might as well get a slingbox and be done with it.
So how about playing your music or looking at your pictures while the PC is off like 99% of the rest of the consumer base has theirs when it's not being used?
Again, please explain to me the thinking that recording and storing video on the HR20 is perfectly fine but storing and playing back audio or pictures, which are much easier to deal with than video, is a ludicrous idea?
Having had to endure your diatribes in TWO THREADS, I've got a simple question:
Why don't YOU devlop something? SERIOUSLY. Instead of wasting our time rambling on and on about how D* needs to do something better, step up to the plate and do it yourself.
You might just have some buyers here.
One, I'm sorry that Carlsbad passed a law we're not familiar with here in New Jersey where everyone there is forced to read things they claim to have no interest in.
Two, nice response. So if you have a problem with your car would you expect other owners of that car to tell you to go build one of your own? When you get a bad steak, do you rush out and carve up a cow and show the chef how it's done the right way?
What a ridiculous, useless waste of a response. Sorry, but that's exactly what it is. I'm sorry that you're miffed that I didn't come here to kiss the backside of the people I PAY to provide a service. I didn't come here just to discuss all the positives of the HR20. If you disagree with my comments say so and let me know why. I came here to have an open, honest, intelligent, OBJECTIVE dialogue about a product we all pay to use. If that's not welcomed here, say so up front. If it is acceptable here and you don't like it, oh well. What can I say?
Coming back with a comment like this serves exactly what purpose? You answered nothing I asked about. You said nothing about anything at all except that you've apparently been tied to a chair with your eyes propped open with toothpicks and forced to read posts from people. Since when is it not acceptable to post, and ask for clarification, on threads that you don't agree with? I've been positive on many things about the HR20. This isn't one of them.
Well, I'm sorry you took my response that way. My point was simple: if you don't like the mousetraps available to you, build a better one. I even suggested that if you did, you'd have buyers, including me. But, no, you'd rather kvetch about how the HR20 doesn't work the way you want it to, or the way it should work in your mind. Too bad. Again, apologies if you felt prosecuted.
Now I think I'll drive my car to my favorite restaurant and order up a nice piece of COW.