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  1. Mar 18, 2014 #201 of 1279
    Devo1237

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    Exactly the point I was making. Although there's no way they'd lose all their Southern subscriptions, that's incredibly hyperbolic. Point is, football is what matters for ratings and DirecTV. It's the "other sports" argument that just doesn't hold water.


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  2. Mar 18, 2014 #202 of 1279
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    I was a swimming referee for 20 years. Auburn has owned both men's and women's swimming and diving in recent years. Since 2000, Auburn has won the men's swimming and diving chamipionships six times and the women's championships five times. Collectively, the SEC has won the women's championships ten times (the others were Georgia with 4 and Florida with 1) since 2000. The other three years, the PAC 12 (California) won the women's championships. For the seven years that Auburn did not win the men's championships, Texas won 4, California won 2, and Arizona and Michigan won 1 each.

    The SEC also owns competitive cheerleading. In 2014, the SEC teams finished first (Kentucky), third (Alabama), fourth (Ole Miss), fifth (LSU), eighth (Mississippi State), and ninth (Tennessee). Overall, Kentucky has finished first 20 times.( 1985, 1987, 1988, 1992, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012, and 2014). LSU won the cheerleading championship in 1989, and Alabama won in 2011.
     
  3. Mar 18, 2014 #203 of 1279
    sigma1914

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    Men's swimming & diving national championships by conference:
    Big 10 - 29
    P12 - 23
    SEC - 11

    So, the SEC surely doesn't own in Men's... let's check women's.
    P12 - 13
    SEC - 11

    Nope, not owning there either.


    That's great you went all the way to the bottom of the sports barrel with cheerleading to find a sport the SEC owns.
     
  4. Mar 18, 2014 #204 of 1279
    fleckrj

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    I am not counting ancient history in swimming and diving. In this century, the Big 10 won one mens and 0 womens swimming and diving championships.

    Since 2000

    Men's Swimming and Diving
    SEC - 6
    Big 12 - 4
    PAC 12 - 3
    Big 10 - 1

    Women's Swimming and Diving
    SEC - 10
    PAC 12 - 3
    Everyone else - 0

    Then, there is football in this century

    SEC - 8
    ACC - 2 (counting Miami, who was still in the Big East when they won)
    BIG 12 - 2
    BIG 10 - 1
    PAC 12 - 1 (which was later vacated)

    Men's basketball in this century
    ACC - 6 (counting Syracuse, who was in the Big East when they won)
    SEC - 3
    Big East - 3 (counting Louisville who was in the Big East when they won, is in the AAC this year, and wil be in the ACC next year, counting UCONN, who was in the Big East when they won, but in the AAC now, and not counting Syracuse, who is now in the ACC)
    Big 10 - 1
    PAC 12 - 0

    Women's basketball in this century
    Big East - 7 (all UCONN, who is now in the AAC)
    SEC - 3
    ACC - 2 (counting Notre Dame, who was in the Big East when they won)
    Big 12 - 2
    PAC 12 - 0

    Baseball in this century
    SEC - 4
    PAC 12 - 4
    BIG 12 - 2
    WAC - 2
    ACC - 1
    Big West - 1

    Women's Gymnastics this century
    SEC - 9
    PAC 12 - 5
    Everyone else - 0
     
  5. Mar 18, 2014 #205 of 1279
    jtrippe77

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    Coming from a household where I'm a big Bama fan and my wife is an Auburn fan we have decided that if DirecTV does not carry this network we will drop DIRECTV. This would be very unfortunate as we absolutely love DirecTV. I'm confident they will get this channel. I don't have any statistics to back me up but I would venture to guess that those in the South watch more college sports, particularly SEC, then pro sports as opposed to the East Coast or the West Coast. In my opinion not caring SEC will have a far greater impact than not caring Longhorn or Pac 12.


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  6. Mar 18, 2014 #206 of 1279
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    I agree with that but you don't even know if and what games will be on the channel. What if the only games Alabama and auburn play on the channel are one game each against their freebie teams that aren't even in their division? Would you really be missing anything? That's the reality of the pac12 and until we see different I expect similar for the sec channel. CBS wants those two teams every week. We all know this.
     
  7. Mar 18, 2014 #207 of 1279
    sigma1914

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    So, only 2000 on matters? That's really very convenient how you count from 2000 since that's around when Auburn started winning. !rolling I guess Kentucky basketball only has 1 national championship (2012) right, since the others were all ancient history prior to 2000?

    Thanks for the football information since nobody doubts that dominance here.
     
  8. Mar 18, 2014 #208 of 1279
    jtrippe77

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    I see your point but my understanding is they're moving the SEC network (11:30) games from our local channels and the pay-per-view games to this network and those are highly viewed. The weekly SEC games could have Alabama versus Tennessee in a bad year for example. I have season tickets so I won't be one of those viewing the games against lesser teams but Alabama has a 10 to 20,000 waiting list for tickets and probably the most rabid football fan base in America so they won't miss a game.


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  9. Mar 18, 2014 #209 of 1279
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    Like I said till we go through an entire season no one is going to really know for sure. Because I'm sure they can change what games as the season moves along like all other contracts now a days.
     
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    Some do. I'm one.
     
  11. Mar 18, 2014 #211 of 1279
    jtrippe77

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    Me too. I hate the NFL. College football is more popular in the South.


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  12. Mar 18, 2014 #212 of 1279
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    That's the reality for BTN as well, since ABC and ESPN have first pick of the best games each week, and BTN picks third. Yet everyone carries that. The B1G may be stinking it up in football compared to the SEC lately, but they have the largest alumni base of any conference and the most spread out alumni base, so BTN is a "must carry" on that basis, just as the SEC Network will be "must carry" on the basis of being #1 in the only sport that counts as far as conference networks are concerned. The SEC isn't being greedy like the Dodgers, they're only asking $1.30 per in-market subscriber. That's barely more than BTN gets on a seven year old contract (which is ancient in sports rights)

    I was actually quite surprised they're asking so little, since the B1G will undoubtedly ask for and get more than that when they renegotiate their contract next year. I think perhaps the SEC lowballed a bit because they have seen what happens when greed gets in the way and didn't want their fans to pay the price. It is always easier to ask for more next time because it is a lot harder for a provider to remove a channel than to refuse to add it. I can't see any scenario under which Directv doesn't have SEC Network this fall, simply because the SEC isn't asking for an unreasonable amount.

    All the talk of other sports, and which conference or teams are winning championships in those sports, is utterly meaningless. If college football was banned tomorrow, every conference network would shut down. Even men's basketball is puny compared to the money football brings in, and conference networks simply can't survive without the football revenue paying for all the minor sports that cost a lot of money to put on TV and bring in almost no revenue.
     
  13. Mar 18, 2014 #213 of 1279
    tonyd79

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    Exactly. The conference networks are tools for getting the other sports some visibility, none of them drive the existence like football. Basketball to an extent that it at least registers on the meter but the big needle pusher is football.

    BTN is a very successful channel in almost every measurable way. They only have multiple channels for football. They do cover basketball extensively but the other sports are mostly fill-in. Hardly any baseball, softball, gymnastics, swimming, track and field, hockey, lacrosse. (They are doing more of the last two but they still are secondary on the feeding structure.)

    The PAC 12 tried to claim that all the other sports were so important; they are not. It is 90% football, 10% basketball and almost zero for all else.
     
  14. Mar 18, 2014 #214 of 1279
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    Exactly.

    Bottom Line, BigTen is, and has been a must carry.

    SEC will be a must carry starting in August

    Pac 12 network despite all the championships alluded to above in the revenue losing sports remains an afterthought on the National Landscape.

    I say that also has someone who wants the Pac 12 added yesterday and would be willing to incur a higher bill for such.
    Just not that many like minded souls though outside the geographic footprint or various pockets of alums.
     
  15. Mar 18, 2014 #215 of 1279
    Curtis0620

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    College Football is more corrupt in the South.
     
  16. Mar 18, 2014 #216 of 1279
    Devo1237

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    I wouldn't equate "importance" with ratings. The Pac-12 intentionally created a channel that would benefit the PAC-12 beyond ratings. They get most of the profits (by not partnering with a goliath like ESPN) and they get to showcase the non-major sports much more than other conference channels do. The reason is to support the schools and the athletes. If your kid was an elite water polo player and had their choice of colleges all across the country, why wouldn't you give extra consideration to attending a school that actually gets those matches televised? This consideration just re-enforces the strength of those second tier sports in the Pac-12. Obviously, this is what the schools of the Pac-12 consider "important", but not what DirecTV does.

    Every major conference can get their football games on TV, so there really isn't any need for these new channels, but Football = Ratings, and right now SEC has that, so they're trying to cash in. I don't think they'll have much trouble getting their network onto DTV. But who knows, DISH seems to be the ones truly embracing college sports, while DTV focuses on the pros.
     
  17. Mar 18, 2014 #217 of 1279
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    I think college football is corrupt everywhere.
     
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    tonyd79

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    No, you got it backwards. They did what they did to try to enhance the other sports. They even said so. They didn't consider them important. They were trying to elevate them even just a little.

    But it didn't sell to everyone. Why? Because outside football, the channels are not important enough for the baggage that comes with multiple channels 24x7.

    I want the PAC 12 channel. But if I don't have it, oh well. I will be more interested in the sec channel? Why? Football.

    As for your last statement. Huh? Just on PAC 12? Don't say sec as they will both have it.
     
  19. Mar 19, 2014 #219 of 1279
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    Yes, but more so in the South.
     
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    As in University of Southern California?
     
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