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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by cadet502, Feb 6, 2008.

  1. cadet502

    cadet502 FHNSAB DBSTalk Club

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    For all you new users and the ones that will arrive when all that new HD hits.

    Don't forget to vote to eliminate this BUG on the wish list.

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=93995

    Thanks.


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  2. rockymountaind

    rockymountaind Cool Member

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    Count me in. New HRxx user and I find this bug to be the most infuriating. Even iGuide did it right :)
     
  3. skyboysea

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    Rather than vote in the wishlist, submit it as a bug. This is not a request for an additional feature but a request to fix something that doesn;t work as any reasonable person would expect it to work.
     
  4. Luck255

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    From reading posts by other users I can see how this would be frustrating. Fortunately, I haven’t run into this because I practically never watch live tv and have all my important recordings set to Keep All. From using the equipment it seemed like keep at most x was more for something not important (like reruns) anyway. It seems the best solution is to add the flexibility to temporarily stop an SL. Some people want to record only 5 shows and just keep 5 so it doesn’t overwrite the old one(record five and stop IE) but in some circumstances a user wouldn’t want this because that may mean you miss out on a premier and the DVR keeps reruns. Now if you add in KUID into this the way I interpret that if the SL is set KAM 5 and 5 shows are marked keep it should not record new shows.
     
  5. spartanstew

    spartanstew Dry as a bone

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    Byron was right on the money.

    As for me, every SL we have is Keep at Most: All Episodes, so I've never had a problem with this.
     
  6. DMHinCO

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    Reluctantly made the switch to a DTV DVR and this is really the single biggest problem for me. The others seem to have good workarounds.

    Once upon a time, I wrote thread 71440 over at the TiVo forum "Advice from veteran". I think I can't link to it here but it was helpful in its day.

    In the same spirit of contributing helpful comments, I'll offer a workaround that most of you have probably already taught your daughters to do to compensate for faulty KUID/KAM logic so they can always have two Hannah Montanas available.

    Delete the ST. When you get to the end of the episode you have just watched, do not delete. Then select Info and More Info and View Upcoming. Pick the next one to record in the future to replace the one you are about to delete. Not perfect, but it works until this makes the bugfix list.
     
  7. CJTE

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    This bug doesn't effect me because I prune my to-do list once a week & default to keep everything until the hard drive is full and then delete oldest to newest (except for some old movies I've set to keep until I delete).

    However, it seems in my reading that people are complaining that the tuner is not stopping recording after they set a limit. There are a few ways to interpret this.
    Personally, if I told my DVR to record all House M.D. episodes, and set the keep at most to 5, if there was a marathon on (say 8 episodes were being played), I would want the 'record all' to take precedence over 'keep at most' (so it would record all 8). ESPECIALLY if the episodes being deleted hadn't been viewed yet! I wouldnt be pleased if it was deleting viewed episodes but atleast if I'd viewed the episodes I'dve had a second chance to mark 'keep until I delete'.

    So right now, the keep at most is taking precedence, and instead of stopping at the 'most', its deleting old episodes.
    Another example of why some might consider this "better".
    I go on vacation. I forget to change my DVRs Keep at Most from 5-All. Now when I get home my DVR recorded re-runs but I missed the first-run because it stopped recording (ofcourse the opposite could also happen)...
     
  8. inkahauts

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    I just want to know what people want it to do when you set it to KUID and 5 episodes.. You want it to not record the next newest episode?

    Personally, I always set mine to KUID and ALL for number of episodes for the things I care about seeing, and have Zero issues.. I only limit SL's to a certain number of recordings on things that are not as important, and also don;t ever set them to KUID.. They are as needed for space...
     
  9. cadet502

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    Without additional options, I would want it do stop recording further episodes if I set it to KUID and 5.

    The optimum would be to have additional options as outlined in the wishlist request.


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  10. NaperDan

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    This really needs to be brought to the attention of CE people.
     
  11. cadet502

    cadet502 FHNSAB DBSTalk Club

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    Visit the wishlist, vote early and often, and maybe they'll notice. ;)

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=93995
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  12. NaperDan

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    Done, but I still think it should be brought up as a bug. The recorder should NOT delete shows that have been marked as 'keep.'
     
  13. machlis

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    Yes, the existing software is a STUPID implementation on this and incredibly frustrating!! Also frustrating that I feel there is absolutely no venue for communicating to DirecTV how stupid it is. (Yes, I took the wish list survey.)
     
  14. machlis

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    To elaborate a little on my rant, especially since I've seen some people arguing about whether the current implementation is the way things "should be"...

    We have a series link for a show set to record 5 episodes and "keep until space needed" (or whatever the wording of that option is). Occasionally an episode will show up in the recorded list that we want to save longer-term. So in the list we go to that one and press the blue button to make the blue-circled-K show up for (supposedly) "keep until I delete". But then it completely ignores that and deletes that episode as soon as another episode shows up in the guide anyway. To me, that's stupid, plain and simple.
     
  15. RunnerFL

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    Why not become one of the CE people yourself and test with us? :)
     
  16. RunnerFL

    RunnerFL Well-Known Member

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    Look into the Cutting Edge section of this site. Be a part of the test team and be heard. :)
     
  17. Steve

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    And it won't, but only if "kept" via the PLAYLIST BLUE button. Those shows will not be deleted when the disk fills up or when the "keep at most" limit is reached. In fact, a BLUE button "kept" show will appear as the 6th show in a folder with a KAM limit of "5".

    Whether you agree with the way Series Link "keep" works or not, the real issue, IMO, is it's not explained well. It would be helpful if DirecTV made a simple text edit to explain to the user what really takes place when "Keep until I Delete" is currently selected as part of a Series Link set-up. Instead of:
    • "Keep until: Disk Full, I Delete"
    it would be helpful if the option read:
    • "Keep until: Disk Full, Episode Limit Reached."
    With this wording, even if this is not the desired behavior, at least we'll know what to expect. Just my .02.

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    Of course, our Wish List request is intended to allow either method:
    • Saved Episode Limit: 5
    • When Limit Reached: Delete Oldest, Stop Recording
    • When Disk is Full: OK to Delete Oldest, Keep Until I Delete
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    And when a show is being "kept" until the "KAM" limit is reached, shouldn't it be flagged differently on the PLAYLIST than a show flagged as "keep" using the BLUE button? Right now, both situations are flagged with the same K icon! :scratchin
     
  18. machlis

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    Sorry if I'm flat-out wrong, to be honest I could be wrong because I find the behavior of this thing so illogical, I have a hard time remembering exactly what it's doing sometimes. But I'm -pretty- sure that your statement above is wrong. As I stated in my previous post, we have a series link set to keep at most 5 episodes of some show, with "keep until space needed". It records an episode that we decide we want to keep for a while, so we hit the blue button in the playlist. But then as soon as there are 5 episodes and it sees another one, it deletes the one we flagged with the blue button - if I look in "history" it says something like "deleted to make space for new recordings", even though we had flagged it as "keep" using the blue button in the playlist after it was recorded!

    On top of that we're having some other bizarre problem where we set another series link, set to keep at most 5 episodes and "keep until space needed", and it seems like it's recording every episode it can find, even though the "keep at most" is set to 5. I do not understand what it's doing on that one.

    I'm sorry, I understand that no system can be designed to please everyone, but I've used plenty of consumer electronics devices, and I've done enough programming in my time to know how things work, but this interface is incredibly confusing to me and it's impossible to get it to do what we want it to do, which I think is quite simple and something many people would want to do.
     
  19. Steve

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    Unless something's changed since I set up this SL, here's an example of what I mean by PLAYLIST BLUE keeping no matter what, and keeping above and beyond the KAM limit (and sorry for the shaky photos)

    This is my currently active SL for Americas Test Kitchen, KAM "5" and "Keep until disk full":

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    As you can see, the playlist shows 8 shows:

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    Because three were "kept" manually, using the BLUE button on the PLAYLIST screen:

    [​IMG]

    This drive has recently been as low as 1% free (currently at 11%), and those three HD recordings have survived.

    It's very confusing seeing those "k's" in the PLAYLIST if they were set by the SL, that's why I always flag shows I want to keep manually. DirecTV really needs to come up with a different flag for shows being "kept" until the KAM is exceeded, or not flag them at all... just keep them until the limit is reached. My .02.
     

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  20. cadet502

    cadet502 FHNSAB DBSTalk Club

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    Thanks for posting the pictures, that helps with the explanation. The really confusing part is that if you have a Series Link with "Keep until I delete" and you toggle the Blue K off and then on again, the system does not respect it as a manual "K" and will still delete that show as part of the series upkeep. I've changed all (or most) of my series links to "keep until disk full" so that I can use the Blue K toggle to keep a specific episode. Where my space indicator used to show almost all my used space as dark blue, there is now just a little bit (<10%) over on the left.

    While I'd still like to see the options in the wishlist implemented, with MRV (and 2 HR's on the main TV) I don't run in to the problem of not having a tuner available when I sit down to watch (gasp) live TV.
     

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