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Should DirecTv Lessen the EDID Restrictions for Watching 3D Content?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by geaux tigers, Aug 2, 2010.

Should DirecTv Lessen the EDID Restrictions for Watching 3D Content?

  1. Yes, DirecTv should lessen the EDID restrictions for watching 3D content.

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  2. No, the EDID restrictions imposed by DirecTv for watching 3D content is good.

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  1. Aug 4, 2010 #101 of 233
    jacmyoung

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    In a nutshell, since the 3D market is so small, DirecTV, a pioneer in providing 3D content, should further limit the 3D base in the hope that it will have a better chance for success:)
     
  2. Aug 4, 2010 #102 of 233
    GregLee

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    As is done when you want to record a 3d program but have no 3d TV connected. You're warned that it may not be possible to watch it on your TV, then asked if you want to record it anyway. Before I got my 3d TV, I recorded several programs that way.
     
  3. Aug 4, 2010 #103 of 233
    GregLee

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    Some brand new Mitsubishi DLPs are also problematic, including some models on DirecTV's supported list.
    Adding an AVR, even in some cases a 2010 model AVR, can prevent watching DirecTV 3D on any 3D TV, not just certain older models, due to DirecTV blocking the video.

    It's not correct to assume that only those affected by DirecTV's blocking 3D signals when some of their customers need to see them would vote to support those customers with a problem. You don't have a problem, so you don't care, I understand -- but not everyone thinks that way. I happen to have a new 2010 AVR that seems so far to be transparent to DirecTV's 3D checking. But I still think DirecTV should accommodate those customers who are having a problem.
     
  4. Aug 4, 2010 #104 of 233
    DogLover

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    I think I have to agree with this opinion. I've been following this discussion trying to understand the issues. I wanted to form an informed opinion.

    I don't have a 3D TV, nor am I likely to buy one for many years. We replaced our main TV within the last few months, and specifically chose not to pay more for a 3D TV. (My personal opinion is that 3D is a fad that will fade, but I've been wrong before and will be again.)

    Having seen many post over the years with people having HDMI handshaking and 1080p/24 issues, I have to say that I don't think you can count on AVR or TV manufacturers to follow any set of standards consistantly.

    They want a seamless process for their customers. They want it to be easy. However, because they have to coordinate/communicate with other company's units, they just can't control the whole process. While that means more work and support for DIRECTV, I think that is the only customer friendly option they have is to allow a (nonsupported) work around for customers to force play the 3D programs.
     
  5. Aug 4, 2010 #105 of 233
    Doug Brott

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    I don't even have to ask to know the answer to this question ..
     
  6. Aug 4, 2010 #106 of 233
    Doug Brott

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    raclevel may be new, but there was some good stuff in his comments ..

    But the "easy" fix .. (1) not really so easy in the nuts and bolts, BTW and (2) seems the point DIRECTV is trying to make is reliability .. bypassing the required checks does nothing to improve the reliability. Perhaps if you think on the micro level, but from a macro perspective (you know, in the grand scheme of things), following the standards are where it is. Seems devices simply need to properly support HDMI 1.4a and that that is not exactly the case for some of thes AVRs.

     
  7. Aug 4, 2010 #107 of 233
    Doug Brott

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    So NOT following standards is the right choice?
     
  8. Aug 4, 2010 #108 of 233
    spartanstew

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    But here's what I don't understand from reading this thread and maybe I'm missing something.

    Customer A has a 3DTV, D*, 3D BD, and an AVR.

    D* to 3DTV works
    3D BD to 3DTV works
    3D BD to AVR to 3DTV works
    D* to AVR to 3DTV doesn't work.


    Why? It's not an issue with the display. It doesn't seem to be an issue with the AVR and it doesn't seem to be an issue with the BD player. The only issue is with the D* receiver.

    If this is some standard, then why isn't anybody else using it?
     
  9. Aug 4, 2010 #109 of 233
    jacmyoung

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    In a way, yes. The concept is sometimes called "backward compatibility". A standard practice when a new tech is introduced.

    Imagine when the HDMI standard was first introduced, all the HDTVs with component-only connections were made useless for HD content, what would that have done to HDTV?
     
  10. Aug 4, 2010 #110 of 233
    Doug Brott

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    That's the million dollar question ..

    Is DIRECTV wrong for following the standard or are the other vendors wrong for NOT following the standard?
     
  11. Aug 4, 2010 #111 of 233
    DogLover

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    Some time the technically "wrong" choice is the best business choice.

    Do the standards really say that "if you can't determine that a device is 3D capable, you can't try to send them a 3D signal and let the view decide if it is correct"?
     
  12. Aug 4, 2010 #112 of 233
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    There may be some ambiguity in this discussion about whether the problem AVRs are those like the 2010 Onkyos which purport to support HDMI 1.4a, but apparently don't "exactly" "properly" support it, or whether they are pre-2010 models which don't even purport to support HDMI 1.4a. HDMI 1.4a wasn't adopted until this year. Not everyone who didn't happen to buy a new AVR in the last few months is willing to accommodate DirecTV's ideas about standards by replacing their otherwise capable AVRs, which in some cases were quite expensive. (Luckily, I did need a new AVR at just the time when AVRs supporting HDMI 1.4a first became available, and my needs for amplification are modest.)
     
  13. Aug 4, 2010 #113 of 233
    Hoosier205

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    This has little to nothing to do with 1.4a. DirecTV simply made a choice and made the issue more complicated than necessary.
     
  14. Aug 4, 2010 #114 of 233
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    Support of the side-by-side 3D format DirecTV uses was made mandatory for 3D display devices by HDMI 1.4a, and detecting whether a display device does support that format is what is being discussed in this thread. So it has everything to do with 1.4a.
     
  15. Aug 4, 2010 #115 of 233
    Mike Bertelson

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    I think it's important to understand that 3D is only a portion of HDMI 1.4a.

    On the other hand, something can be HDMI 1.4a and not implement some or all of the 3D portions of the spec.

    Is something is 1.4a and is 3D, doesn’t mean it’s done completely...I’m just sayin’ :grin:

    Mike
     
  16. Aug 4, 2010 #116 of 233
    Hoosier205

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    ...no...you just don't get it. I give up. This is a conversation which should be taking place at AVS rather than here. That much is painfully obvious.
     
  17. Aug 4, 2010 #117 of 233
    spartanstew

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    Incorrect, that doesn't seem to be what the discussion is about at all.
     
  18. Aug 4, 2010 #118 of 233
    jacmyoung

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    If the discussion is about 3D the technology, then maybe, but if the discussion is about one of the DirecTV's policies, I think this is a better place to be.
     
  19. Aug 4, 2010 #119 of 233
    GregLee

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    I'm no expert on the details of HDMI, but my information is that 3D display and repeater devices (AVRs) conforming to 1.4a must support the 3D side-by-side format used by DirecTV. This was made a mandatory part of the spec for the first time by HDMI 1.4a. Do you know different?
     
  20. Aug 4, 2010 #120 of 233
    geaux tigers

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    Don't keep us in suspense.
     

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