Should I buy an HR44 now or wait for the HR54

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  1. Oct 28, 2015 #61 of 127
    SHS

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    That odd there are 4K capture card that only have 1.4a HDMI (Magewell XI100DE) and let not forget Video Card from both AMD and Nvidia can do it but they moving to DisplayPort any way and as broadcasters that not ture they have been test run 4K for some time now under ATSC 3.0 in Los Angeles, Calif KLCS and KJLA in fact Cleveland, Ohio's WJW has it to with min more coming, how ever in way you rigth more like it will HDMI 2.2 for all other device like set-top boxs and blu-ray player and min other device.
     
  2. Oct 29, 2015 #62 of 127
    inkahauts

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    First I have heard of ATSC 3 testing here but even if it is that doesn't mean when devices come to market it would work and they'd be 1.4. Those devices aren't available yet so really not sure why you even mention that part.

    And capture cards on pcs for things like home video cameras are not the same thing as broadcast content from HBO etc...
     
  3. Oct 29, 2015 #63 of 127
    slice1900

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    ATSC is tentatively scheduled to be finalized no earlier than early 2017. Then they have to build the hardware, so it will be 2018 before they could even start using it. Personally I'm skeptical it will ever be rolled out except in limited markets.

    At any rate, there's no way they're going to be making ATSC 3.0 receivers that output HDMI 1.4, especially since it would limit the receiver to only showing 30 fps 4K programming.
     
  4. Oct 29, 2015 #64 of 127
    SHS

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    May guest would have been in about 2019/20 time frame, That ture it limit the receiver down to display 30fps with 4K.
     
  5. Oct 29, 2015 #65 of 127
    slice1900

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    But why support would what would be a five year obsolete HDMI version by that time? You might as well ask why not figure out a way to support VGA.
     
  6. Oct 29, 2015 #66 of 127
    P Smith

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    May be some company rush to the market ATCS 3.0 with own tech solution [RF part, H.265 decomp] and used old devt platform with HDMI 1.4 output? as a demo device
     
  7. Nov 4, 2015 #67 of 127
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    I just want to be clear about a few things that I've read in this topic as I'm about to upgrade a few things. I currently have an HR34 and was told I need a C61K if I want to purchase or play with 4K. Just to be clear.

    1. It is pointless for me to purchase the HR54 if I'm contempt with my HR34 since I will require the C61K anyway?
    2. The TV we purchased that is still within the 14 day return policy was a VIZIO M80-C3. The tech specs state it is HDCP 2.2 compliant on 3 out of the 5 HDMI ports, does that mean the HDMI is > 1.4?

    Cheers, great reading on this topic! (I may upgrade to the HR44 or HR54 regardless)
     
  8. Nov 4, 2015 #68 of 127
    Beerstalker

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    1. I would get the C61K and when the tech is there to install it I would try to get him to replace the HR34 with an HR44 or HR54.

    2. HDCP 2.2 requires HDMI 2.0 or higher, so you should be good to go.
     
  9. Nov 4, 2015 #69 of 127
    Logandros

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    It stinks that I will have to move the HR34, it's current location is the most ideal. Unfortunately that is in the entertainment center under the VIZIO 80. I'm surprised they didn't make the HR54 capable of this, that would have been a home run for me. Upgrade to the HR54 and 4K on the only TV that can use it all in one shot.


    This is offtopic but I was curious. Do we keep a list of services / recommended installers on this forum? Yesterday I had my last straw with installation. 6 hours late, so I called and cancelled my order (C61K that they insisted needed to be professionally installed) and I also cancelled my 8.99 DirecTV protection plan. I've decided with all the aggravation I've had with the installers in this area over the last 12 years I would rather purchase these items from SS and try my best to learn and do the installation changes myself so I see no reason to continue paying for the plan. In the last 12 years 7 service calls, everyone one came late, every time I needed equipment they did not have it on the truck, any time a ladder was required they didn't have one long enough. This last time I actually changed my LNB because the installer was too afraid to lean on the roof because he had no ladder at all. In my area here in Southern NJ we must have the worse company that was awarded the service contract. Not to mention I think every tech that has been here has told me about the cutbacks and how things have changed getting only $50 per service call regardless of the necessary work and how they always over book. /rant

    Oops, and thank you for your insight Beerstalker
     
  10. Nov 7, 2015 #70 of 127
    daniloni

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    I'm confused and I apologize if the answer is elsewhere on the site. I just purchased an hr44 off of amazon to replace my hr34. When I called to authorize (just now), the rep said that it would trigger a two new year commitment even though I purchased the unit myself. True or false?
     
  11. Nov 7, 2015 #71 of 127
    carl6

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    True. It is a leased unit, no matter where you get it. Activating a new leased units triggers a commitment. If you are already under commitment, this will extend it to two years from today (not two years from the end of any existing commitment).

    Also, you will have to deactivate the HR34 in order to activate the HR44. Only one Genie is allowed per account.
     
  12. Nov 7, 2015 #72 of 127
    SHS

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    If I recall rigth that ture even on dish and it load of BS as well
     
  13. Nov 7, 2015 #73 of 127
    Logandros

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    If that is true then why are some units listed on eBay specified as "owned" and claim they will not extend your commitment, now I'm confused :)
     
  14. Nov 7, 2015 #74 of 127
    carl6

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    There are a rare few owned Genies available. If you are trying to get one, first get the Receiver ID number (RID), then call the Access Card Department at DirecTV and confirm the unit is in fact owned, and that if you acquire it you will be able to activate it on your account. You will probably also have to get a new access card (cost $20) from DirecTV for the unit.

    Then, when you buy the unit, make sure the item you get is the same RID that was provided to verify owned status.

    DirecTV employees get owned equipment, and after they leave DirecTV they are allowed to sell it. I don't think they can sell it while they still work there (not sure). There are a few other owned units in existence, but rarely do they show up for sale. So it is in fact possible to find one if you look hard enough.

    The risk is, if anything goes wrong with it and you have it replaced by DirecTV, you'll end up with a leased replacement.
     
  15. Nov 7, 2015 #75 of 127
    daniloni

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    Thanks for answering this question.

    I guess the way to go is to try to go to retention to milk some discounts (probably triggering a new commitment) and then afterwards authorize the receiver. I assume these new commitments would run concurrently rather than consecutively.
     
  16. Nov 7, 2015 #76 of 127
    Logandros

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    Concurrently
     
  17. Nov 8, 2015 #77 of 127
    dpeters11

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    I'd actually think the commitment would be a year, two years is for where an installer is needed, though it may not replace an existing commitment that is longer.

    As for owned, it's replaced with owned if defective if you have the Protection plan, otherwise replaced with leased.
     
  18. Dec 31, 2015 #78 of 127
    rjhseven

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    I have a Genie 44 that's on the way out according to Directv tech. I can tell it to as I have had Directv since 1994. Really acting up. Have many hours of recordings on it. Should I go with the 54? Have a C51-100 mini client. Should I upgrade that too?

    Also, I am testing a new 60 inch tv and have it side by side with older tv. In trial period. Should mini client give me same picture quality as Genie? Thanks.
     
  19. Dec 31, 2015 #79 of 127
    carl6

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    If you have an HR44 and it fails, DirecTV will replace it with a Genie. That could be an HR34, an HR44, or an HR54. There is no guaranty or promise as to what model is provided as a replacement. Should you go for a replacement, insist on a truck roll (a visit by a tech), and decline the repair/replacement if it is an HR34.

    The only reason/argument for upgrading to an HR54 and a C61K is if you have a 4K television, AND DirecTV has started live 4K programming (supposed to happen sometime in January). Then, and only then, can you try for the 54/61.

    Yes, the client should give you exactly the same picture quality as the Genie (or HR2x DVR, or H2x receiver). If you are trying to compare, make sure they are set to the same resolution, and that Native is set the same on both devices (on or off, but the same).
     
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  20. Dec 31, 2015 #80 of 127
    rjhseven

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    I've been a customer since '94 with total package so I pretty much get what I ask for before AT&T got involved. I do have the protection plan. Not sure how they will affect customer service. If my recent purchase from an AT&T store was any indication, it will not be good. But I am trying out the Vizio M60-C3 4K TV so I better request the 54/61. This TV is very good for price. That's why I asked about equivalent picture quality.

    I do need to make sure that native is off on both. Everyone in Vizio thread on AVS Forum advised me to turn native off but is that the correct way to get best PQ? Thanks for your help.
     

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