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Should Steve Jobs be placed on the list of great inventors?

Discussion in 'Tech Talk - Gadgets, Gizmos and Technology' started by Chris Blount, Apr 30, 2012.

Should Steve Jobs be placed on the list of great inventors?

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  1. May 1, 2012 #61 of 131
    yosoyellobo

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    If you had ask me back in the fifth grade who was an inventor I would have said Thomas Edison. I guess I still believe that.
     
  2. May 1, 2012 #62 of 131
    Laxguy

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    I agree with that part, but Jobs wasn't around when you were in Fifth Grade....
     
  3. May 1, 2012 #63 of 131
    yosoyellobo

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    Unfortunately I still think like a fifth grader:)
     
  4. May 1, 2012 #64 of 131
    Sixto

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    Not sure which I'd put at the top of the list ...

    14 Best Inventions of Steve Jobs:
    "Steve Jobs may just be the greatest inventor of our age. We dug through Google Patents and found that Steve Jobs is listed as the primary or co-inventor on 241 patents. Granted, some of those inventions were duds, no doubt. But some were pure genius, and did nothing less than completely change the way we use technology in our lives ..."

    http://www.maclife.com/article/gallery/14_best_inventions_steve_jobs

    Steve Jobs, 1955-2011: Inventor And Artist:
    Steve Jobs, Inventor:
    President Barack Obama 10/5/2011:
    "And there may be no greater tribute to Steve‚Äôs success than the fact that much of the world learned of his passing on a device he invented." ​
     
  5. May 1, 2012 #65 of 131
    P Smith

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    Sixto, you do relay to opinion of other people, who could be biased... I would use own judgement.
     
  6. May 1, 2012 #66 of 131
    Sixto

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    To me, you can be literal, or to the spirit of the discussion. Seems like he had a major impact on the products, the ecosystem, the unique retail change, and it may not all happen without him.

    If you read any of the books on the inner workings of the company, he had a major influence, sometimes down to the color of an icon. Truly, a very different CEO.

    Whether you like him, or hate him, he got creative stuff done and changed the world.
     
  7. May 1, 2012 #67 of 131
    P Smith

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    I'm try to be objective ...

    Known personally (during some period of work) Jon Rubinstein and other Apple's employee (engineers), I got some spirit of Apple type management (for good) and what means invention for managers of higher level.

    Coming down to icons and shape of product could be inventive, for sure, but it matter of design, not great inventor's list. Jobs was good in some aspects, no doubt, but some ... the obscuring HW and SW politics is not best choice for customers ... Stylish design of Apple products always been strong line of the company and it done by its engineers with great influence and directing from heads of the company.
     
  8. May 1, 2012 #68 of 131
    phat78boy

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    You are absolutely correct, maybe the term artist would better describe the impact he had on our society. I just can't see calling someone an inventor who didn't really invent anything other then a new way to do something already being done.
     
  9. May 1, 2012 #69 of 131
    Sixto

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    Yep, it's all a matter of opinion, as most things, there's no correct answer.

    In the past, I've not had much experience with Apple products other then the iPod, and even that was once in a while.

    Since the iPhone, the iPad, and more recently an Apple TV purchase, I've grown a great appreciation for what they've done, which has led to me to read every book on the subject to understand the inner workings of the company as best that I could. Both to understand how and who created this stuff, but also to possibly learn something about best practices if you're looking to change the world in any particular area.

    One of the major themes has been the focus on details and simplicity.

    It's certainly obvious that Jobs' had a huge influence, and most everything developed was developed with the concept of "what would Steve think?". And then he'd steered them one way or another.

    Whether he's considered an "inventor" is just a word game, the guy made stuff happen, and has changed the world, at least for now.

    Only time will tell how long it lasts, but in the meantime I'm enjoying every announcement and product release, along with the rest of my family. Wife, kids, parents, siblings ... all have been switching over time.
     
  10. May 1, 2012 #70 of 131
    FHSPSU67

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    Neither Steve Jobs nor Bill Gates can be considered "inventors".
     
  11. May 1, 2012 #71 of 131
    Steve

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    For sure. (Tim Cook as well.) If you view the attached, keep in mind when Jobs returned to Apple in 1997, the company was on the verge of bankruptcy.

    EDITED TO ADD: If it's difficult to see the graphic, here's the original article it accompanied.
     

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  12. May 1, 2012 #72 of 131
    Cholly

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    Not an inventor per se. An innovator, yes. An idea person, definitely.A superb marketer, beyond a doubt. But do those qualities define him as an inventor? I think not.
    He and Woz cobbled together a bunch of hardware that became the Apple computer, but he did not invent a computer. Nor did he invent the mouse, the cellular phone, computer operating system or the myriad of other products he brought to market.
     
  13. May 1, 2012 #73 of 131
    billsharpe

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    I'd rather vote "not yet" but that's not a choice on the menu, so I would have to go with "not sure" as closer to yes or no choices.
     
  14. May 1, 2012 #74 of 131
    phrelin

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    One of the things you have to ask yourself, what if they had not brought Jobs back and Apple had gone bankrupt? How would mankind be worse off today?

    I have mixed feelings about those questions.
     
  15. May 1, 2012 #75 of 131
    Laxguy

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    OK, let's take fire.... Cave persons were creating it, or taking embers from natural fires. Then they rubbed sticks, magnifying glass and so on.

    What about the guy who invented matches?
    What about the guy who invented lighters?
    What about the guy who invented butane lighters?
    Those are all new ways to do something that already was being done, starting fires....
     
  16. May 1, 2012 #76 of 131
    P Smith

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    And what Jobs have common with matches ? :D
     
  17. May 1, 2012 #77 of 131
    Laxguy

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    Jobs invented a new way of starting fires, similar to placing matches in the toenails of big guys, then lighting them....:eek2:
     
  18. May 1, 2012 #78 of 131
    Steve

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    Good question. In his biography of Jobs, Walter Isaacson called him:
    He went on to say:
     
  19. May 1, 2012 #79 of 131
    P Smith

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    Who is Isaacson in a word of inventions ? Why his words (with a lot of hype) should be accounted here ?

    You must have your own opinion based on something what you would say - the thread calling you for that ! If Walter want - he could come here and we will dispute with him directly ...
    Would you name 'revolutionary' if someone 'invent' using ketchup for painting ?
     
  20. May 1, 2012 #80 of 131
    Steve

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    Quoted to remind us that, among other things, Jobs also brought us Toy Story, the app store and 99 cent MP3s, in answer to Phrelin's rhetorical question "what might the world be like today if Jobs hadn't returned to Apple?"
     

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