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Should there be a "fat tax"?

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Chris Blount, May 18, 2012.

Should there be a "fat tax"?

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  1. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    I don't know why it keeps getting misread. Soda relative to other food is next to nothing. You typically eat more than you drink if you aren't watching calories... so the food intake contributes more than the soda.

    Again... by the examples I gave... a soda + a salad is better than a pizza + a diet soda. Sure, you can drop both soda and the pizza and then it makes an additional difference... but the smarter and bigger difference is made by dropping the pizza vs dropping the soda.

    Sodas aren't the only drinks that contain acid. Many (if not most) fruit juices do... Healthy orange juice not only will rot your teeth (it actually did rot my baby teeth before I was old enough to know better) but the acid in orange juice is so strong that it upsets my stomach.

    Again... soda = evil, but orange juice = healthy BUT the acidic effects are the same if not worse with the healthy juice.

    Soda isn't the only place to get sugar either. The things in your mouth don't care if the sugar is from soda or from food. The key is keeping your mouth clean, so rinsing your mouth and flossing after eating is what makes the difference.

    I have had some cavity problems as an adult... do you know the biggest contributor? Tums. I had a period of my life of some bad stomach issues (among them a gall bladder problem), and I would wake up late at night and need to take some Tums... chew a couple of tablets and go back to bed... only I never thought about the sugar in them... the sugar that stays on your teeth while you sleep all night and helps feed the bacteria that rot your teeth.

    At least soda is meant to be a food... Why did Tums ever contain sugar? I buy the sugar-free kind now... but it is a medicine, it never needed sugar anyway, especially not given how it is intended to be chewed and most people wouldn't go brush their teeth after chewing a couple of Tums... and that's the only way to be sure you get all the extra gunk off your teeth.

    Last, but not least... the corn sweetener (if it is bad for you) isn't just in sodas... again, cutting sodas but not doing anything with the rest of your diet is of little value.

    All due respect... but I doubt that was the only thing you changed. If you did it as a conscious effort you likely increased your exercise which was probably a far greater contributor to the weight loss.

    That's a LOT of soda (or anything for that matter) to be drinking in a day! I'm arguably quite fat right now, and a 2-liter bottle of Mountain Dew (not diet) lasts me a couple of days if I drink nothing but that with my meals.

    I suspect too, as above for Herdfan, that if you were trying to lose weight you were at least exercising more if not watching the rest of what you eat as well.
     
  2. Herdfan

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    Actually, that is really the only change I made. I too would power through multiple 2 liters per day. Usually one in the morning and one after lunch. A typical involved a 32oz from McDonalds at breakfast. Then I would refill That cup while I worked. Sitting at a desk for 3.5-4 hours allows you to drink quite a bit. Repeat again after lunch.

    Then we hired a girl who made awesome sweet tea. You know the kind that has so much sugar a spoon will stand up by itself ;). She made a gallon every morning. I drank most of it.

    So yes, cutting out that much sugar can affect your weight even in the absence of other factors.
     
  3. TBlazer07

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    Some people order diet sodas not simply for weight loss but because regular soda is way too sweet tasting for them or they just don't want all the sugar. I used to drink 2 - 3 16oz cans a day, now I can't drink it as it is just too sweet. Diet soda (I hate it but sometimes drink it just because it's there), despite the fact they say "it tastes just like regular soda" does not.

    Now THAT, for many people, is 1000% wrong. As someone who has just lost 30 lbs :) (with 35 more to go :mad:) I can tell you soda makes a HUGE HUGE difference. Even if you drink 1 16OZ (~ 200 calories) can every day and then stop (everything else being equal) that is almost the loss (or non-gain) of 1/2 lb per week. For those who would drink 2 16oz cans a day that is 2800+ calories every week which is almost equal to 1lb of loss (or not gaining 1lb more) every week. To lose a pound you generally have to consume 3500 calories less than what it takes to maintain your weight. Of course there are other factors in the formula but basically that is the number.

    Weight loss is numbers. CALORIES. Period. You have to decrease the number of calories to lose weight. Anything removed from that consumption helps. If everything else stays the same NOT consuming the 400 calories in 2 cans of soda every day could result in either a loss of almost a pound or not gaining almost a pound.

    Aside from the dental issues with drinking all the sugar and everything else that goes with it, unless your "normal" consumption of soda is next to nothing than stopping it can make a huge difference.


    That being said, I 100% believe that a law preventing ones consumption of soda is totally absurd.
     
  4. Lord Vader

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    I don't drink that much diet soda, but I'll tell you this much--Pepsi Max tastes so much like regular Pepsi that's it's simply scary. Diet A&W is very close to the original as well. Diet Pepsi, however--now that stuff is downright gross.
     
  5. Stewart Vernon

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    I have to admit... I never took into account that people might be drinking those kind of quantities of sodas. Honestly, I always thought I drank a lot... but consuming multiple 2-liter bottles on my own? I couldn't even fathom that.

    I typically only eat two meals a day... so that's roughly 1 16-oz drink per meal, sometimes a 2nd one at dinner when I eat a larger meal... so 2-3 16-oz drinks covers my meals.

    I might drink another 1-2 a day OR if I have water I'll drink that on the really hot days.

    2 liters is a little over 64 ounces (forgive me for not doing the exact math since it isn't completely important since it is pretty close).. so a 2-liter bottle is a little more than 4 16-oz beverages... and 3 of those makes more than 12 of the 16-oz size portions.

    So... you're talking about 2-3 times the amount of soda I consume... and frankly I thought I was drinking a lot... so I stand corrected, IF you're talking those kinds of quantities of soda, then yes... swapping that much out does make a difference.
     
  6. Stewart Vernon

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    When I was dieting... and eventually used diet drinks for a while...

    I found that Diet Vanilla Pepsi had a better and more of a vanilla taste than the regular Vanilla Pepsi.

    Diet Mountain Dew was easy to get used to... and Diet Sunkist was actually pretty good, really close to the regular.

    Diet Sierra Mist and Sprite also were comparable too.
     
  7. Lord Vader

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    Many, many years ago I tried the Crystal Light brand of teas and mixes. It was absolutely awful. However, since having intestinal surgery in December 2006, I was forced to go back and try the Crystal Light stuff. Wow! What a difference--MUCH improved. My favorite is the diet raspberry ice tea. I also like the fruit punch to-go packets.
     
  8. MysteryMan

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    I don't need the likes of Michael Bloomberg telling me what I should eat or drink. Next he'll be suggesting people start eating Soylent Green. Obese people need to get off their fat ass and burn off the calories they ram down their throats!
     
  9. Lord Vader

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    Or at least DO something if exercise cannot completely help. Gastric bypass surgery, lap band procedure, and other methods can help those who may, in fact, have a legitimate problem with losing weight. Almost all insurance companies will cover such medical procedures if a doctor states it's needed for reasons of one's health.

    I know several people who got the procedures and their insurance companies took care of it all.
     
  10. TBlazer07

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    I'm not sure what world you live in. :lol: I love root beer and it's like night and day. :eek2: My wife used to tell me there was no difference between (regular) coke and pepsi and (when it came out) "New" Coke and Coke. We did a blind taste test and I got them all right 100% of the time. She did some sort of test on me and said I was a "supertaster." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supertaster
     
  11. TBlazer07

    TBlazer07 Grumpy Grampy

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    Yea, it's just that simple. :rolleyes:
     
  12. TBlazer07

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    Crystal light isn't bad but try Diet Raspberry Snapple Iced Tea. Somehting about pouring powder into a glass of water that skeeves me. :lol:
     
  13. BattleScott

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    While there may be a strictly weight-loss related benefit, you're intial assertions are still pretty much true. They are just trading weight-related health issues for others. The chemicals used in the artificial sweeteners are just as bad (if not worse) than the natural sugars used in regular soda, especially when consumed at those quantities (remember aspertame?). Time and time again, the food industry has created these miracle sweeteners, got them ordained by the FDA and made their billions, only to find out later on that they weren't so safe after all. Down the road, these people will just suffer from liver-failure, cancer, etc. instead of heart-disease and diabetes.
     
  14. MysteryMan

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    Well, it wasn't very difficult for them to stuff their face and become that way. :sure:
     
  15. Lord Vader

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    With the exception of those who truly have a medical problem, I agree with you.
     
  16. TBoneit

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    Except that the poor may not have health insurance or the money for such a procedure. Some people it just doesn't work from my understanding. for many such things do help.
    I don't see Bloomberg (spelling?) offering to pay for that sort of thing.

    And I believe for some people even a low calorie will not work. The same as I know people that had very high cholesterol despite being on a fat free diet.

    Some really do have dad Genes.

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    Some people can't tell the difference between Generic Root Beer and A&W or Hires either. (taste test post) I can BTW.
     
  17. TBlazer07

    TBlazer07 Grumpy Grampy

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    Yep, just like you say. :mad::nono2:
     
  18. TBlazer07

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    If truly counting calories does not work then there is a medical issue. The WAY people count calories can be VERY problematic. Calories are the "pi" (no pun intended) of loss or gain of weight. Unless there is a true medical problem the bottom line, end result, is calories.

    If you eat 4000 calories of cake or 4000 calories of broccoli you will gain the same weight. Just like if you eat 1000 calories a day of cake or broccoli you will LOSE the same amount of weight.

    If one writes down EVERY LITTLE THING you put in your mouth during the day, and I mean everything, you might be in for a big surprise. Just because something is healthy doesn't mean you won't gain weight. "Bad Genes" are an excuse while heath issues are not.

    If anyone want to REALLY track what they eat check out the free http://www.myfitnesspal.com/ - mobile apps available on IOS, Blackberry, Windows & Android and they all sync with each other.

    That program has helped me to lose 30+ lbs in 14 weeks (so far).
     
  19. Davenlr

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    Calories cant possibly be the only answer. My mom, for example, is trying to GAIN weight. She weighs 95 lbs. She eats malts, ice creme, fatty burgers, and everything else I just WISH I could eat without becoming a blimp, and in the past two months, she has gained 2 lbs.
     
  20. klang

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    Second this. :up:

    I'm not trying to lose weight but I use the app for tracking Sodium, Cholesterol, fat, etc for my cardiologist.
     

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