signal strength question

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  1. Jun 2, 2014 #1 of 29
    todrut

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    New to forum, been trying to figure out my problem but no luck. Direct dvr keep getting 920 error. I have no guide. I seem to have signal on sats except 103s is 0% & 99s is 0% - 103ca is 95% - 103cb is 95% - 101 is 97% - 99c is 80%

    can anyone point me in the right direction???
     
  2. Jun 2, 2014 #2 of 29
    P Smith

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    what dvr?

    what antenna ?
    what switch ?
    how many cables to the dvr ?
    pictures from each sat signals screen ?
     
  3. Jun 2, 2014 #3 of 29
    todrut

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    HR24, SL5, don't know about the switch? 2 cables from dish to DVR. No idea how to do pictures from signal screen?
    Thank you for the reply...
     
  4. Jun 2, 2014 #4 of 29
    TomCat

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    103 and 99 typically have readings that vary from transponder to transponder, 0 to 100, because they are spot beams and if you are not in the footprint you will get no reading or a degraded reading, which is natural. For intance, I read 100 on 15, but 0 on 14, because 15 is one of my local spots, and 14 isn't. So we need to qualify your statement of "0" on 103s/99s. IOW, that may be normal. What SD/HD channels do you get, and what channels no you not get (among those subscribed to)?

    The easiest way to do this is to get the screen set up to show all transponders and then use your phone, tablet, or camera set at VGA resolution to take snaps, then crop and attach them here. Or just list the transponder levels. But we really need to see the big picture to help you.

    If you are in a general TV market (not way out in the sticks) it is likely that you are served by a spot beam (there is still one TV market that isnt), so you should have one or more transponders that read over 96 on spot beam sats. 2 cables per DVR indicates a non-SWM setup. The SL5 is also an older dish (still a good one).
     
  5. Jun 2, 2014 #5 of 29
    peds48

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    the only thing that really matters is what are your signal on the 119? Where are you located?
     
  6. Jun 2, 2014 #6 of 29
    todrut

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    I'm getting all subscibed channels, both HD and SD I live 50 miles E of Nashville, TN I get Nashville locals HD
    56% on 119
    By 0% it won't lock on a sat with signal meter
     
  7. Jun 2, 2014 #7 of 29
    peds48

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    that is your problem. you can either relocate the dish, change to an SL3 LNB or move over to SWM which always uses the 101 for guide data
     
  8. Jun 3, 2014 #8 of 29
    coolman302003

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    I checked the TPN Map spreadsheet and your market has everything covered (SD and HD local channels) with a SL3 LNB if you wanted to change it out. Assuming you have a LOS obstruction to the 119° sat. You would lose a handful or music channels, and a few SD and HD foreign language channels on the 119°.

    Your spotbeam TPNs for you market are (found in Menu>Settings & Help>Settings>Satellite>View Signal Strength):
    101° tpn 18 (SD locals)
    99°s tpn 17 & 18 (HD locals)
     
  9. Jun 3, 2014 #9 of 29
    todrut

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    I was under the assumption that 119 was not even needed that there was nothing on it??? Could it be an lnb issue?
    I don't ever listen to music or watch an foreign channels.
     
  10. texasbrit

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    No, it's not an LNB issue (at least, not a faulty LNB). With the Slimline 5 dish, the guide data comes from 119 when you are tuned into a channel from 103 or 119. If you can't receive 119, then since you are probably watching a 103 channel most of the time (most HD comes from 103) you will lose guide data and get the error message.
    Your choices are pretty much as have been posted:
    Get the dish aligned so your 119 signals are mostly up in the high 90s or even 100 (unless you have a line of sight issue)
    Change the LNB for an SL3 LNB (it's just a straight swap)
    Change to a Slimline 3 or 5 SWM LNB (with SWM the guide always comes from 101), or connect an SWM8 multiswitch (each with appropriate power inserter and splitter)

    Cool Man has listed what you will lose without 119. My guess is that unless you can get good 119 signals, swapping the LNB for an SL3 non-SWM LNB is the easiest. Or swapping the LNB for an SWM LNB - more expensive but might be a good investment if you plan to add DVRs since SWM allows a DVR connection with one cable instead of two.

    Without knowing more about your installation (now many receivers/DVRs, future expansion plans etc), it's not really possible to come up with a firm recommendation.
     
  11. Go Beavs

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    If you haven't noticed missing channels yet, you'll never know the difference changing to an SL-3.

    Well, except your guide will start working again. :)
     
  12. todrut

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    guess I'm changing lnb. I have 1 DVR HD no other receivers and no plans on needing more.
     
  13. P Smith

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    then buy just regular SL3 LNBF and install it
     
  14. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    not the first one - you'll need to buy mandatory power inserter PI-21 for it, so add more money (same time it would be good investment, if you'll add another IRDs or DVRs)
    second or third ? second is look better :)
     
  15. todrut

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    ok, got it bought. Thank You to all for the help!
     
  16. jimmie57

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    You will need to rerun the satellite set up after you change this LNB.
    After you do the satellite set up you need to check your signal strengths to make sure it is still aligned.
     
  17. todrut

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    got the sl3 lnb, it has 4 outlets, which 2 do I screw my cables into?
     
  18. peds48

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    any two of the 4. you choose. they are all the same. dont forget BBCs
     
  19. todrut

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    BBC's ???
     

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