Signing up for DirecTV a wise move?

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  1. Mar 20, 2021 #21 of 123
    Mike1096

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    Lucky you. I’ve heard horror stories. No way I’m letting them out 10 holes in my roof. To each his own.


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  2. Mar 20, 2021 #22 of 123
    MysteryMan

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    My house also has a chimney, bathroom and kitchen vents going through the roof. They don't leak either. Guess that makes me real lucky.
     
  3. Mar 20, 2021 #23 of 123
    Mike1096

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    Guess so.


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  4. Mar 20, 2021 #24 of 123
    Davenlr

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    They mounted my next door neighbors DirecTv dish on his patio on a sled. I think I would have dug the hole for him, then said put it here. I really don't think they want to install DirecTv anymore.
     
  5. Mar 20, 2021 #25 of 123
    Mike1096

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    Yeah. It was weird. He would’ve mounted it to side of my garage which is brick but I really don’t want the holes. Especially when I have a dish sitting on my chimney.


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  6. Mar 20, 2021 #26 of 123
    bills976

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    The big difference there is that those were installed when your roof was installed, and the work was done by a roofer who does this for a living.

    If properly installed, a dish on a roof should be fine, but you won't be able to remove the foot without risking a leak, and you're also trusting your installer not to screw it up. ATT installers are likely not roofers, so personally I would go with a pole mount.
     
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  7. Jun 10, 2021 #27 of 123
    krel

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    where i'm at there's 30 dishes up on the roof. none of us had issues with leaks. and someone has a big ugily ass hugesnet dish to and no issues with leaks
     
  8. Jun 10, 2021 #28 of 123
    jimmie57

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    They are mandated not to get off their ladders.
    Because of that and a possible leak they usually mount them on the eve of the roof.
    They have a custom made rubberized sealing gasket that goes between the foot and the roof shingles. I have had 5 dishes mounted on my roof in the last 24 years and did not have a leak.
    They even have special under eave mounts. Did you ask about those ?
     
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  9. Jun 12, 2021 #29 of 123
    Michael H..

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    The sheet metal rectangular box with the holes that the dish is mounted to is a "SLEARO-02" dish mount.
    It comes in two pieces, the rectangular box and the bolted-on structure below it that the dish mast mounting plate is bolted to.
    The part that is attached to the house is the rectangular box, which I offset with a pair of (my design) 1.25" x 1.25" square tubes in order for the (my design) lower 1.25" x 1.25" square tubes to clear the bottom of the fascia.
    The rectangular box is mounted with four 5/16" x 6" lag bolts, 2 each screwed into the bottom edge of two rafters.
    The rafters were pre-drilled half-way into the 11.5" depth of the 2" x 12" rafters, and the 6" long lag bolts screwed in to a depth of 4.625" into the rafters securing the rectangular box.
    At approximately 100# per inch thread engagement pull out load for the lag bolts, the 4 lag bolt attachment sustains approximately 1850# pull out load.
    There is no better attachment with respect to (boundary condition) attachment structural strength and stiffness.
    I have mounted every dish myself since '94 and have never had alignment signal degradation necessitating re-alignment after installation.
    The lower 1.25" x 1.25" square tubes are bolted to the rectangular box, not to the house.
    The 4 lag bolts securing the rectangular box are the only attachments to the house itself, the other structures or DBS supports or (Televes DiNova) OTA antenna supports are bolted to the rectangular box or to the lower 1.25" x 1.25" square tubes.
    In addition to the superior structural aspects, the main advantage with this installation is the house is not compromised for leaks, even if the dish and mount are later removed.
    If a dish is mounted to the roof, preferably over the eaves and not over the living area, or if mounted to the wall, silicone will be applied around the hole as a sealant, but over time even if the silicone doesn't break down, the bond between the silicone and the house will, and water will flow with gravity, down through the roof or down and into the wall, resulting in rot and mold.
    With the SLEARO-02 upward mounting, water will run along the bottom of the rafter, but will not turn and flow upward along the lag bolts into the rafter, and even if it could the lag bolts are threaded into a blind hole, there is no path for the water to enter the house.
    I applied silicone around the holes to limit the water from wicking up into and penetrating laterally into the wood of the rafters as a precaution, though this is really not likely be a problem.
    If you ever moved, it would be a simple task to dismount and plug the 4 holes at the bottom of the rafters, and take the mount with you.

    The SLEARO-02 was manufactured by a company in Georgia (US, not USSR) under license to DirecTV originally, and was available through a few DTV installers, but has been out of production for awhile (decade?) and those in existence are only available out of inventory surplus at a few satellite equipment distributors, buried under a pile of dust.

    As recently as beginning of Covid-19 shutdown, someone walking his dog, stopped, looked at the dish installation and commented, "Transformers fan huh, what does that thing turn into?".
    I explained why I had one, he said that they had recently moved in and were ordering DTV and would ask the installer for the same mount.
    When I told him to expect that they wouldn't know what he was talking about, he asked for permission to take a picture, to send them.
    Turned out they knew what they were, actually had one, and told him that about once a year someone asks, and they comply.

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    Oh, I forgot.
    On the front of the connector plate (obscured by the coax drip loop) I mounted a 90° bend plumbing pipe with the opening facing downward, so that the dual coax cable enters up from the bottom and into the wall, and in the ~3" length of pipe around the cable I injected silicone sealant and filled the pipe... same thing water has to flow up to penetrate into the wall.
     
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  10. Jun 29, 2021 #30 of 123
    gator1234

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    I am in a rental so I have to do a pole mount. Any idea how much extra it is for the pole mount?
     
  11. Jun 29, 2021 #31 of 123
    MysteryMan

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    $50.00.
     
  12. Jul 18, 2021 #32 of 123
    rjhseven

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    I’ve been with Directv for 25 years plus also. I’m at the end of my last 2 year contract as (I glanced at each post in this thread) I was surprised that no one mentioned that Directv has been for sell two years. Dish lowballed an offer (as they do the local networks and almost always have a dispute with CBS, ABC, NBC and Fox. For an avid basketball/football fan, not knowing whether you can watch every game your teams plays is a deal killer.

    Private equity groups have also bid for Direcv but (with MAJOR, continuing loss of subscribers) the most likely buyer remains DISH which is unacceptable to me.

    I wanted the Olympics in 4K but this is what happened when I enquired about it (posted in AVS forum):

    Just to see what would happen, I called Directv with a request to install a 4K compatible Genie mini (which I was promised when I moved 4 years ago). They wanted $110; I mentioned I was a 25+ year Directv customer. Rep agreed to waive fee but wanted 2 year contract (I only have 1 month left on existing) to put in that mini. My package qualifies for 4K channels.

    Directv will be sold soon. That are losing subscribers by the millions. Rumor is it will be Dish. So why would anyone in their right mind agree to a 2 year contract now? Goodbye Directv!!

    I’m also not sure why many seem to be leery of streaming only (my concern is a rare outage in the middle of Memphis basketball/football game but I could airplay it to any on my TVs (I have two AppleTVs and TCL Roku TVs that support Airplay and unlimited data on my Verizon IPhone. So worst case us I lose a few minutes. More rain fade than ATT fiber Gigabit internet outage.

    lastly, as a retired home builder of 25+ years, the way they mount dishes now days is less likely to cause a leak that old or incorrectly sealed flashing around anything coming through your roof from inside your home.

    I just priced YouTube TV with HBO, HBOMax ( I watch this more than any other APP), Showtime and their new 4K which was confusing as hell to me (sounded like you had to DVR it to cloud first then download and watch in 4K which is a deal killer for me) and the total was $120 plus tax. Other than live sports, I only watch local, national news, HBO and Showtime. I have 5 good 4K TVs so I would like to have unlimited 4K but programming is sparse and it is $20 per month.

    A friend recommended YouTube TV for me but it along with my now discounted ATT internet costs $80 so total bill would be approx $230 with tax which is too much

    I didn’t mean to write a novel. Not sure how many will read entire post but any alternative recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
     
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  13. Jul 18, 2021 #33 of 123
    James Long

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    I'm not going to go point by point, but control of DIRECTV (along with AT&T's other Video services - UVerse and AT&T TV) has been sold to TPG. The FCC agreed to transfer the satellite licenses on Friday (7/16) and the deal will likely close this week. So we can ignore the speculation as to who AT&T will sell DIRECTV to and when. No rumor needed when one has facts.

    TPG's offer had the benefit of providing billions of dollars to AT&T for them to spend elsewhere (mostly debt transfer). Any offer by DISH would have faced regulatory hurdles and (quite frankly) it would be easier for DISH to wait for DIRECTV to go out of business than to try to spend billions on buying them. (Opinion, but AT&T|DIRECTV's subscriber loss is notable.)

    DIRECTV satellite will be around longer than any new customer's commitment. I would not consider the sale to TPG nor the recorded subscriber loss to be reasons not to subscribe to DIRECTV satellite.
     
  14. Jul 19, 2021 #34 of 123
    NashGuy

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    How are you coming up with a total of $230 for YouTube TV combined with AT&T Fiber gigabit?

    The most you should be paying for AT&T Fiber gigabit internet is $90/mo, including the gateway equipment rental charge. And you should get HBO Max free with that. (HBO Max is a streaming app that includes all of HBO's content, plus thousand of additional hours of stuff, on-demand. As soon as a new show or movie debuts on the HBO cable channel, it's available on-demand in HBO Max.)

    Meanwhile, the base cost for YTTV is $65/mo. If you want the 4K upgrade, it's free the first month, then as long as you keep it and never cancel, it'll cost $10/mo the next 11 months, then jump to its regular price of $20/mo after one year. If you want to add Showtime to your YTTV service, that's another $11/mo. So $65 + $10 + $11 = $86/mo for YTTV the first year, then up to $96/mo.

    Adding together $90 for AT&T Fiber plus $86 for YTTV comes to a total of $176, then up to $186 after the first year. There's no sales tax on internet service here in TN, although you would pay regular sales tax (nearly 10%) on YTTV.

    Anyhow, if you don't want to go with YTTV, hold tight and see what the features and pricing looks like soon when AT&T TV relaunches as DirecTV Stream. That should happen any time between now and probably end of Sept. I wouldn't sign a new 2-yr contract with DirecTV satellite right now because you may decide that DirecTV Stream is a better option for you.
     
  15. Jul 19, 2021 #35 of 123
    harsh

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    What would be the point of acquiring the DIRECTV DBS service after it went out of business no matter how easy it was?

    Maybe DIRECTV has some IP that would be attractive but given that their respective platforms are incompatible, operation two independent systems would surely be a major headache when they could simply wait for customers to find an alternative in DISH or SlingTV.

    Note that this stub of the discussion is not a forecast that DIRECTV DBS will die anytime soon. It is far too early to be making those calls.
     
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    James Long

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    One plan is to buy the competition so you can own the market. The alternative is to let your competition wither away.
    Other than ego (which cost Mr Ergen a lot of money decades ago - $690 million in 2002) there is no reason why DISH should buy the DIRECTV satellite service.
    (To be clear, I did not suggest DISH should by DIRECTV DBS service after it goes out of business.)

    My recommendation would be to buy the leftovers. DISH has done that several times: Buying licenses from DBS services that never launched. Buying licenses from SkyAngel/Dominion that only launched with DISH's assistance. Buying licenses, a satellite and uplink centers from Zoom/Rainbow DBS that ran a niche service from a far eastern satellite that was difficult to receive from most of the country. DISH didn't buy the service or the customers, just the resources. If DISH makes TPG a good offer for the 14 transponder licenses at 119 and 110 there will be a sale ... pending FCC approval. But just licenses and satellites, not the service or customers and make it a really good offer.

    DISH tried the "buy DIRECTV" route ... Mr Ergen probably would have tried again if he thought it was worth the money. As stated, the additional regulatory hurdles and decreasing value are good reasons for DISH not to waste their money.
     
  17. Jul 19, 2021 #37 of 123
    NashGuy

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    The problem, though, is that DISH continues to lose subs too (albeit not as quickly as DTV has been recently) and they have a smaller subscriber base than DTV's sat service (about 8.5 million vs. maybe 12 million). I'm not sure it's in DISH's best interest to wait until 2025 or later to see who bleeds out first, DTV or them. Kinda similar situation that Sirium and XM satellite radio faced several years ago.

    And yes, if DTV went out of business, I'm sure many of those customers would then sign up for DISH (their only remaining option), which would then have to pay to get them installed. Would be a lot easier to simply acquire the existing DTV user base while that service was still active and just keep them using their existing equipment and dishes aimed at DTV's sats. Channel packages and pricing might change but why spend good money to switch out all those dishes, receivers and wiring?

    If it can get government approval, I definitely think TPG is going to want to tie up DTV with DISH somehow in the next few years.
     
  18. Jul 19, 2021 #38 of 123
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    Not recently. You missed the news release today:

    On a positive note, the drop was the lowest quarterly subscriber decline for the company since the fourth quarter of 2018.

    The net decline of pay-TV subscribers for Q2-2021 was 473,000, marking a 47% improvement from 887,000 total video subscribers dropped during the same period a year ago.

    Makes sense for it to be leveling out. Not everybody wants to deal with streaming.
     
  19. Jul 19, 2021 #39 of 123
    NashGuy

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    Hmm, pretty sure that DTV's losses recently (by which I meant the past year or two) have been worse than have DISH's.

    At the end of 2019, DISH had 9.4 million sat customers. That had declined by 7.55% to 8.69 million by end of Q1 2021.

    At the end of 2019, AT&T had 19.473 million "premium TV" customers (i.e. those on DTV or Uverse TV). By the end of Q1 2021, that had declined by 18.4% to 15.89 million customers in that category (which by then also included AT&T TV). I believe that if the reported figures were for DTV satellite alone, the percentage decline would have been even worse.

    So over that 5-quarter recent period, AT&T/DTV sustained a subscriber loss nearly 2.5 times as bad as DISH's on a relative basis.
     
  20. Jul 19, 2021 #40 of 123
    James Long

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    Yep. DISH has not had a quarter that they have lost 473k subs ... ever. AT&T|DIRECTV has lost 34% of their Premium TV subscribers since the end of 2018 when they stopped reporting satellite subscribers. DISH has lost 12% of their satellite customers and 10% of total subscribers over the same time period.

    Yes, 2Q 2021 was good for AT&T|DIRECTV compared to themselves one year prior and including all premium subscribers, not just satellite. Not so good when compared to others. :)

    If DIRECTV satellite was doing better I suspect AT&T would be releasing those figures. Then again, mixing all the services together as "Premium TV" also hides the performance of AT&T TV and the former UVerse TV.
     
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