Sinclair Channels Threaten to Leave DISH

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  1. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Gold Club DBSTalk Club

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    Which means DISH is paying statutory rate distant fees instead of whatever the SV stations are asking.

    Zanesville has their own uplinks of their channels on their own spot beams.

    Zanesville, OH
    6-00 WEWS CLEVELAND, OH (ABC) SV* - 6510 SD 119° 4sB14 A 5270 HD 61.5° 32s4 A
    10-00 WOIO SHAKER HEIGHTS, OH (CBS) SV* - 6511 SD 119° 4sB14 A 5271 HD 61.5° 32s4 A
    18-00 LOCAL - 5272 HD 61.5° 32s4 A
    28-00 WJW CLEVELAND, OH (FOX) SV* - 6513 SD 119° 4sB14 A 5273 HD 61.5° 32s4 A
    62-00 WOUB ATHENS, OH (PBS) - 6514 SD 119° 4sB14 A 5274 HD 61.5° 27s30 A

    (I'll fix the SV* errors on the website. I just finished rebuilding the local list and need to check the home markets in my database.)
     
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  2. harsh

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    Nonetheless, ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX all share 61.5-32s4 by my reckoning of the information you posted so the requirements of PTAT are met.
     
  3. crodrules

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    Yes, that is what I meant. This is a different transponder than the one used for Cleveland (61.5 - 22s4). So, any feeds that Dish chose for Zanesville would be simulcast on 61.5 - 32s4, and would meet the PTAT requirements regardless of which market(s) they originate from.
     
  4. harsh

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    I would imagine that the same could be said of any market in the same time zone.
     
  5. mwdxer

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    Has Dish & Sinclair renewed their contracts? I have not heard a word for several days. Maybe I missed an announcement, but with no crawler, etc on the Sinclair stations, I feel they must have come to some agreement.
    I saw an article on how much money the Network stations lose in these disputes. Apparently they feel that they can handle the loss.
     
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    What is "18-00 LOCAL"?
     
  7. James Long

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    A channel that is in dispute. In Zanesville subscribers would get the "sorry your channel isn't carried" channel (although at the moment that channel is marked "limited availability" which usually means not available to regular subscribers - only available to techs and specific receivers DISH has enabled for the channel).
     
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  8. harsh

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    Not yet. IIRC, the first extension runs out soon.

    It is notable that AT&T's most recent negotiations involved several extensions.

    I reason that Sinclair can't get too hard-nosed without Congress taking notice. Several congressmen have expressed annoyance with these kinds of negotiations.
     
  9. mwdxer

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    Thanks for the update. I am glad Congress is finally noticing this. Maybe some from Congress has also lost programming through the years.
     
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    Congress has "noticed" this issue many times over the years. It means nothing until they actually act on it, and even then it does no good until the new regulations actually take effect. Okay, I'm stepping down from my soapbox now.
     
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    Specifically, WHIZ, the NBC affiliate for Zanesville. It has been in dispute since 2018, if I recall correctly.
    As I pointed out earlier (probably in last month's uplink thread) Dish hid this channel's dispute message at the same time that they added dispute message channels for the (then-upcoming) Sinclair contract deadline. I am guessing that Dish didn't want their dispute message getting muddled with different messages about different disputes airing simultaneously. Either that, or Dish simply didn't want to call any further attention to the number of disputes affecting this market.

    Dish quickly removed the Sinclair dispute messages after that, when they switched the ABC and Fox affiliates for Zanesville to the "replacement" channels from Cleveland. Messages about the WHIZ dispute never returned. CBS [which is not (yet?) in dispute] from Columbus was then quietly replaced in Zanesville with the CBS affiliate from Cleveland, with no further dispute messages then, either.
     
  12. James Long

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    There comes a point where a contract expiration is no longer a dispute. (Such as happened with HBO - carriage contract expired, channels go away, moving on. The same with the RSNs.)

    WHIZ left DISH on 7/31/19 at 6:57pm ET . Is it really a dispute two years later? Nope. It is just an expired contract. DISH may have forgotten about "18-00" since it has been so long!
     
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  13. harsh

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    Given that some of these markets may lose three of the bigs, I think this is a much different discussion from HBO.
     
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  14. James Long

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    Come back if Sinclair locals are gone two years. If there are markets that will lose three major networks when Sinclair leaves that is a failure of the FCC to manage station ownership limits. (My market will lose two networks but they are carried on one Sinclair station.)

    Zanesville is an easy market. It covers one county and the NBC OTA signal covers the entire market. If any of the other stations imported into the market have disputes DISH can import another channel (unlike most other markets).
     
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    Reporting on HBO's return to Dish would beg to disagree with you:
    HBO And Dish Network Resolve Nearly 3-Year Carriage Impasse, Firming Up New Deal Including Promo Discounts – Deadline
    "HBO and Dish Network have resolved one of the most bitter distribution disputes in pay-TV history (and that’s saying something)..."

    HBO returns to Dish's lineup after a protracted absence | Engadget
    "Dish is also offering HBO Max after resolving its dispute with WarnerMedia."
    "Dish Network is finally offering HBO, Cinemax and HBO Max to its subscribers after kicking HBO off its network nearly three years ago. It's the first time Dish subscribers will be able to watch HBO shows like Mare of Easttown and Euphoria since the carriage dispute began on October 31st, 2018. ..."


    And those are just from a quick Google search. In any event, the return of HBO and Cinemax does prove that multi-year-long disputes can be resolved, even when Dish is involved. :)
     
  16. James Long

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    Reporters can be wrong and so can you. :)
    The headline has a better view: "Nearly 3-Year Carriage Impasse"
     
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  18. mwdxer

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    Thanks for the update. At least we have another month...
     
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    Hmmm... so the only remaining "local" channel in the Zanesville package (also carried on channel 20 in the Columbus, Ohio local package) just got moved to the same spotbeam as the Cleveland locals (for Cleveland-market carriage) for Zanesville subscribers. Interesting.
     
  20. James Long

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    The old transponder looks fairly full (9 HD and 1 SD remain, plus mirrors). Plenty of room on the new transponder.
     
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