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Sinclair may pull locals from Dish on 8/16

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by RAD, Aug 13, 2012.

  1. Aug 15, 2012 #81 of 147

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

    Dec 2, 2010
    :welcome_s to DBSTalk!

    Lots of good reason to be a Dish customer, but not particularly that one!

  2. Aug 15, 2012 #82 of 147

    bigdog9586 Legend

    Jan 17, 2008
    I for one am sick and tired of Dish screwing its customers. First AMC and related channels, now lots of us are going to lose some or all their networks because of the narrow minded administrators at Dish. You can bet the CEO of Dish isn't taking a cut in pay, maybe he should and then there would be money to purchase our channels. I would like all of us to call and cancel service when they shut off our networks and put a hold on our credit cards and hit them in the billfold. They can't sue all of us and I'd like to see what a judge would rule if we pushed it. Maybe a class action law suit.
  3. Aug 15, 2012 #83 of 147

    SayWhat? Know Nothing

    Jun 6, 2009

    If'n ya'll wanna git uppity, direct it at the right place ... in this case Sinclair.
  4. Aug 15, 2012 #84 of 147

    dakeeney Legend

    Aug 29, 2004
    Grab some popcorn and let the waiting game begin.
  5. Aug 15, 2012 #85 of 147

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    One of the few times I have to say government should step in. The bandwidth that over the air stations use was given to them for the public interest. They have IMHO no right to demand money for retransmission to the same area as their signal should be available via over the air antennas. Because then suddenly they are charging us even though the bandwidth was given to them with the expectations and agreement that the public would never have to pay for the programing.
  6. Aug 15, 2012 #86 of 147

    DoyleS Icon

    Oct 21, 2002
    El Dorado...
    BigDog, You have to remember a lot of us aren't affected by this Sinclair Power play. You are however free to move to Direct, Comcast or any other provider if you feel that Dish doesn't meet your needs. That is what free market is all about.

    On another note,
    I do think government needs to be involved in regulating the airways and think that Sinclair with owning stations from multiple networks in the same DMA should be required to Divest itself so that they only have one major network in any DMA. No different than regulating monopolies. Requiring Sat companies to carry locals and then allowing those locals to come back and raise fees is a serious problem as we are currently seeing. I am sure that Dish is slicing and dicing the numbers of each DMA to see just what their exposure is. Charlie has a financial model that keeps him competitive and he is not likely to dump the apple cart in a case like this.
  7. Aug 15, 2012 #87 of 147

    tsmacro Hall Of Fame

    Apr 28, 2005
    It's gotten to the point where I just don't care. There's hundreds of channels and my DVR is always full of stuff I don't have time to watch. If one channel disappears oh well, I have no problem finding other things to watch on other channels. If one of the channels that goes away has one of my favorite shows, that kind of sucks but oh well, it's much like when one of my favorite shows gets canceled, it's gone so I find something else. For me anyway it really behooves the channel to keep itself in front of my eyeballs on my chosen provider because for me it's out of sight out of mind and if they decide they can't play nice then as far as I'm concerned they cease to exist. I'm not going to make any special effort to chase after any particular channel, it's just not that important.
  8. Aug 15, 2012 #88 of 147

    tsduke Godfather

    Mar 20, 2007
    To address this issue would be removing current regulation. That I advocate.
  9. Aug 15, 2012 #89 of 147

    runner861 Icon

    Mar 20, 2010
    I was thinking the same thing. The anti-government advocates are always anti-government--until they're not. Funny how people who hate the police always manage to call 911 when someone is kicking in their door.
  10. Aug 15, 2012 #90 of 147
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    Well... no bandwidth was given to local stations... they do have to pay for those broadcast licenses, right? Similar to how companies like Dish and DirecTV have to pay for their orbital locations and frequencies...

    But I don't hear anyone realistically trying to argue that Dish and DirecTV should be free because the FCC is "giving" them the right to broadcast on public airwaves.

    It kind of is the same argument.

    There are qualifications to the local broadcast FCC licenses... and as long as they meet those requirements, there is nothing that says they can't protect their retransmission rights or charge for that.

    I remind people again that years ago (in my market anyway) our local stations wanted to give their signal to cable customers for free but the cable company wanted to charge for the service... so the local channels gave them the option "either give our channels free to your customers as you get the signal free from us OR pay us for retransmission rights to re-sell them"... and ultimately the cable company chose to pay.

    So... at least in my market, there was more interest in trying to resell and potentially profit from carrying locals than there was in keeping the channels free... so PayTV providers kind of created this beast in my opinion.
  11. Aug 15, 2012 #91 of 147

    DoyleS Icon

    Oct 21, 2002
    El Dorado...
    I think you are making a big leap by trying to bundle anti big goverment into No Government. I haven't heard anyone putting forth that position.
    3 branches of Goverment--Yes
    Government Court System--Yes
    Government Parks- Yes
    Streets and Highways -Yes
    Police and Fire--Yes
    Social Security buying 174,000 rounds of hollow point bullets--Uh..No
    NOAA purchasing 46,000 rounds of hollow points and paper targets..No Again
    Regulation of Airways from a frequency assignment basis-- Yes

    The list can go on but would drift too far into current politics, but getting back on topic, Sinclair has an unusual advantage in this particular situation that even though I am not affected, I think it should be reined in.
  12. Aug 15, 2012 #92 of 147

    DoyleS Icon

    Oct 21, 2002
    El Dorado...
    Stewart and I were posting at the same time and I have to say I agree with his statements on who created this and that being the infant Cable companies at the time well before we had the 300+ channels out there competing for eyeballs.
  13. Aug 15, 2012 #93 of 147

    djlong Hall Of Fame

    Jul 8, 2002
    New Hampshire
    Stewart - I don't know if you mis-typed but the local broadcasters paid NOTHING for their bandwidth. They demanded that they be GIVEN the DT frequencies just as they were given the analog slots "back in the day". They said it was the only way they could afford to upgrade their equipment.
  14. Aug 15, 2012 #94 of 147
    James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Apr 17, 2003
  15. Aug 15, 2012 #95 of 147

    tampa8 Godfather/Supporter

    Mar 30, 2002
    And that's the risk the locals playing these games risks. I admit there are a handful of shows that I really do look forward to seeing. If I can get it OTA I will, but that's about as much effort I will go to. You make a great point - sometimes my favorite show gets cancelled, this is much like that. If I can catch up at some point online that is an option, but losing a channel just isn't going to be a big deal.
  16. Aug 15, 2012 #96 of 147

    dpeters11 Hall Of Fame

    May 30, 2007
    What's really crazy, is at least in Columbus, they own the local CBS and operate Fox. They don't actually own it, but it's still covered under this contract. The FCC is requiring that they sell the channel they own in Cincinnati to buy our CBS. But they will still operate it. Not sure what the point is in making them sell a network if for all intents and purposes of the public, they still own it.

    Of course the other problem is, these disputes are increasing. Time Warner recently had one, DirecTV has had local disputes and of course recently with Viacom. This problem isn't going away, and it doesn't matter the provider.
  17. Aug 15, 2012 #97 of 147

    Jim5506 Hall Of Fame

    Jun 7, 2004
    How about Congress stepping up and telling local broadcasters that they cannot charge for carriage in their own DMA AND telling the carriers satellite, cable, whatever, that they cannot charge their customers for those locals either.
  18. Aug 15, 2012 #98 of 147

    dstout Legend

    Jul 19, 2005

    Wow! No NFC or AFC in Columbus if this thing goes on into September.

    I am disgusted to think I may not get the World Series(WZTV-Fox Nashville).
  19. Aug 15, 2012 #99 of 147
    Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 7, 2005
    Kittrell, NC
    I think we're having a disconnect in logic here somehow... I know you aren't meaning to say that the local broadcasters pay nothing for the license to broadcast OTA. Are you?

    I know some deals were cut during the transition to digital to help stations convert... but local broadcasters can't just request a frequency and put up a tower and broadcast... they have to apply to the FCC for a license, and that license has to be renewed yearly (I believe it is yearly renewal)... and it costs money for that license to broadcast.
  20. energyx

    energyx Cool Member

    Aug 8, 2011
    They actually own ABC 6 and LMA Fox 28, which is actually owned by a spinoff company. CBS (10) is owned by Dispatch Broadcast Group, which is a local company.

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