Single hopper no joey installation

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  1. drock

    drock New Member

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    anyone know if you still need a single node for an installation
    of JUST a HOPPER and no joeys?


    Thanks
     
  2. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Yes, it's a requirement for h2k as it has three tuners.

    I know one practical install (before the person will get his Solo Node) - one cable coming from DPP44; it's working fine, but need more tests to see if some timer would fire while two other tuners are taken ...
    And switch test would take a lot of time to finish the setup, BTW.
     
  3. Wire Nut

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    I installed, and am running this setup. Yeah, you definitely want the solo node. I guess you can run without a node with just one satellite, but why when the nodes are relatively inexpensive?
     
  4. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    So, you are the one who could answer to that question above - if you want record three channels on three different transponders ? Perhaps from three sats ?
     
  5. Wire Nut

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    I used a node in my installation, just heard that a Hopper will download and work without one but only with a single orbital location. I don't know if all three tuners would work in this configuration, don't really see how it would but maybe? Never seen it done personally.
     
  6. 3HaloODST

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    No actually without a node if you have a DPP LNB/switch (required for Hopper) then 2 of Hopper's 3 tuners will work and tune in to all orbital slots. Third one won't function at all and your check switches will take longer. As post #2 said Hopper may or may not function correctly in regards to timers.
     
  7. drock

    drock New Member

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    I Installed one friday without a node. Everything checked out, all green on all
    tuners of the checkswitch... all tuners showed availiable as well..

    Out of curiosity and fear of not doing it right, I went back out to my customers house and installed the node....

    ready....

    exactly the same results... lol BTW single nodes are $24 at cost..

    unfortunatly none of the install diagrams from D* do not include a single
    hopper and no joey diagram..

    So I still dont know for sure! :sure:

    thanks
    Drock
     
  8. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Drock, the answer is - try to record three programs from three different sats.
     
  9. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    One would not even need a to record three different satellites ... just three different polarities would be enough for a final proof.

    If the Hopper is capable of using the same 500 MHz block for more than two tuners on the same device it would be the first dual tuner DISH receiver to do that. DISH expects the proper equipment to be installed to support the receiver. Why design for improperly installed equipment?

    The bug would be showing that third tuner as good when it was not connected to a node.
     
  10. drock

    drock New Member

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    I will try it in my showroom..... Ill post the results..
    thanks everyone!
     
  11. careycal64

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    And the results were, what? This is exactly the set up I've been looking for installation data on. The Hybrid Solo Hub just looks like a glorified splitter to me. Why on earth do you need it if you only have one Hopper-Sling-3 and no Joey's? Is it doing something magical to the incoming signal or is it just passing it through to the Hopper with no additional processing?
     
  12. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    The "Hybrid Solo Hub" was not released in 2012 when the previous post in the thread was made. The posters are referring to the "Node" used with the original Hopper and Hopper w/Sling.

    The "Hub" is much smaller than the "Node" and does not appear to have any complicated electronics inside (beyond band pass/block and power pass/block that can be done on simple splitter/combiners). The "Node" mentioned in 2012 is a larger device that has room for more complicated switching and band stacking needed to convert two 500 MHz bands stacked as DPP to three 500 MHz bands stacked as DP-X. (The Hopper 3 connects as DP-Z - 16 stacked transponders instead of stacking 500 MHz bands.)
     
  13. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    is there any new device with DP-Y technology ? :)
     
  14. careycal64

    careycal64 New Member

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    OK, I give up. Since the Hybrid Solo Hub is only $10 on Amazon (assuming I'm buying the correct unit - 203952) I have ordered it and will put it between my Hybrid LNB dish and my Hopper sling 3 with terminators on the Joey feeds. This seems like just another unnecessary attenuator for the incoming signal. This is why I thought it must be doing SOMETHING to further process the signal to the Hopper but it appears not. It also seems odd that there is not more discussion on this. I can't be the only person who only owns one TV, can I? ;)
     
  15. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Most people with one TV would have a lesser receiver. DISH recommends the Hopper Duo or Wally for one TV. Both have two tuners. The Duo can host a Joey, the Wally can only use the 2nd tuner for recording (external drive required). I'd recommend a Hopper or Hopper w/Sling (three tuners including PTAT) for a single TV. A Hopper 3? That seems like overkill.
     
  16. careycal64

    careycal64 New Member

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    You seem to see overkill as a bad thing?! Seek help.
    I've owned a 722K for eight years. I hope my Hopper Sling 3 will serve me just as long. By the time I'm ready to move on, it will be the dinosaur my 722K is today. People will say, "You only have 16 tuners? How do you even..." My motto is, get all the bells and whistles, you'll never be disappointed. Finding it online for $35 had nothing to do with my decision.
     
  17. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Well, since there isn't a receiver with the model name "Hopper Sling 3" I hope you end up with something usable. I have nothing against "overkill".

    If your only TV is a 4K TV the Hopper 3 is a better choice than the lesser Hoppers - and not a bad choice for non-4K TVs.
     
  18. careycal64

    careycal64 New Member

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    I guess I have the only one.
     
  19. NYDutch

    NYDutch DBSTalk Club DBSTalk Club

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    I have two Hopper w/Sling's (not Hopper 3's) that are often used as single units, each with its own dish setup. They share a dish only for those periods when we're parked on our RV pad at our upstate NY family cottage.
     
  20. careycal64

    careycal64 New Member

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    Wait, so you are telling me there's no such thing as a Hopper 3 w/Sling?
    Then what the heck do I have?
     

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