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Sixto Report-D12 Status: Pre-Launch

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Sixto, Jul 27, 2008.

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  1. Mar 10, 2009 #621 of 1236
    Smthkd

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    Seems to me like it is for D12 but with a new name for the Sat. If you noticed all this information they are trying to get approved sounds generic so they can get access to the location. Once approved, they may put D12 there instead! Can they not do that!? If I remember did not D* say they were halting any new sat builds in this economy? And its mighty suspicious that this sat app for 97W will "enhance Directv HD programming to 200 HD channels" like our beloved D12!!! Hmmmmmmm!
     
  2. Mar 10, 2009 #622 of 1236
    Sixto

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    "DirecTV has not yet contracted for the construction of the DIRECTV 97W satellite ...".

    D12 has been built.

    It's appears that EchoStar's filing expired and DirecTV quickly took the spot (for the future).
     
  3. Mar 10, 2009 #623 of 1236
    evan_s

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    I don't think it's D12. Infact with the application info provided I'd have to say for sure it isn't D12.

    1) They say it hasn't been constructed yet.

    2) They couldn't be planning a launch this year for an orbital slot they didn't already have approval for and haven't even applied for until now. This is the government. They don't work that fast.

    3) They list the frequencies as both Ka Hi and Ka Lo while D9 and D10 are only Ka Lo and don't even fully utilize that by themselves.

    4) They say it is capable of supporting nothing but CONUS tps but does so for all 48 Tps in both Ka Hi and Ka Lo hence the over 200 HD channels from just this sat.

    The sat they spell out in the application is definitely one heck of a sat and clearly outclasses what D10, D11 and D12 are capable of and if put in service as described would on it's own provide more national channels than the other three put together could provide. (as configured each provides 14 tps providing only 42 total conus tps unless they use spares)

    5) The biggest reason why this couldn't be D12 is 97w would require a new LNB and they wouldn't able to swap out all the sl5's and sl3's by the end of this year for the new channel it's suppose to provide. The conversion to new LNBs that could pick up 97w would have to be a long term project.


    As far as the canceling spending on new sats look at Dish's time line. 1 year to sign a contract for the sat to be built. 2 years to design it. 3 years to start building it and 5 years for it launch and be in operation. Those are all from the time of approval not from the time of application. On that time line it could be 2015 before DirecTV would need to launch the sat and if things continue to look poor for the economy they can always just fail to meet the deadlines and let the license expire. At the worst they have a full year after approval before they have to even sign a contract which would seem to be the first required outlay of money beyond just filling the app. They want to get the application in now to give themselves the option before someone else files an application and takes it. They have done the same thing with all the BSS licenses around their 99/101/103 core grouping. 97/99/101/103 would make for a pretty good grouping and should provide a huge amount of total bandwidth for DirecTV to work with.
     
  4. Mar 10, 2009 #624 of 1236
    Tom Robertson

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    Good find, Sixto.

    This is not D12.

    evan_s is correct about the timelines, that is the standard satellite milestone timeline for an approved license. (And Echostar likely lost some milestone deposits for failing to meet the deadlines, ~$3M I think.)

    This might be backhauling? But 101 Ka to the home would need a new LNB (but not a new dish.)

    Curiouser and Curiouser :)

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  5. Mar 10, 2009 #625 of 1236
    LameLefty

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    I don't think it's for backhauling, but rather a replacement for the now-lapsed plans for the FSS-band Directv 13. evan_s laid out the timelines rather well - this satellite is probably planned for launch in the '13/14 timeframe, when D10 is nearing its mid-life point and when the Spaceways will be nudging towards old age.
     
  6. Mar 10, 2009 #626 of 1236
    evan_s

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    The application clearly says service to the home and over 200 conus channels provided by the sat. Using Ka at either 97w or 101 would require a LNB swap and since D7 & D8 both provide Ku for 101 and Ka backhauling it would make sense to keep that there and utilize the sat resources there and use 97w for expanding conus capacity.

    D13 was a planned replacement for 110 that got canceled due to tweener licenses being granted. The BSS application that directv lost got reevaluated and they are back in place for that last I saw. Sixto posted the fcc filing earlier in the thread. All the assorted BSS sats had RB call signs.

    Over all I think DirecTv is just applying for any bandwidth they can in their core grouping to make sure they have plenty available in the future.

    I wonder what is up with Ka at 105. There should be another license there.
     
  7. Mar 10, 2009 #627 of 1236
    LameLefty

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    Yeah, you're right about the BSS sats and RB call signs. I forgot all that.

    What makes you think there should be a 105 license? Anyone want to dig around the ICC archives and see what that slot is used for currently?
     
  8. Mar 10, 2009 #628 of 1236
    evan_s

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    Well the spacings for Ka Licenses is 2 degrees hence 97,99,101, and 103 as known licenses. 105 could be allocated to canada just like some DBS slots are or it could be licensed for something besides Sat TV service. I'd assume there are a whole bunch of other ones too, 91/93/95/107/109 etc, but 105 would seem to be other obvious interest for DirecTV trying to keep their core sats close together.
     
  9. Mar 10, 2009 #629 of 1236
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    Could 97 degrees serve Latin America?
     
  10. Mar 12, 2009 #630 of 1236
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    Anyone else notice3 HIGH signal strength on SW2 on transponders 1 and 6, which I have not seen before? Also, suddenly, several other spot transponders on D11 are at a high strength... Wonder what they are testing...
     
  11. Mar 12, 2009 #631 of 1236
    Sixto

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    SW2 tp1 thru tp6 all zero here. SW1 tp1 & tp5 high, all else zero.

    also found some interesting info last night but it just confirmed that RB-1, RB-2, RB-3, RB-4, and 97W are the only non-launched DirecTV satellites in the pipeline with the FCC, in official databases that we have access to.

    D12 has been kept a VERY good secret. :)
     
  12. Mar 14, 2009 #632 of 1236
    Sixto

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    Now assuming it's going to 103°, but I need to find proof.
     
  13. Mar 15, 2009 #633 of 1236
    hdtvfan0001

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    ...or at least in that immediate neighborhood... :D
     
  14. Mar 18, 2009 #634 of 1236
    Sixto

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    With the latest 3/16/2009 GCT spotbeam data: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=154564

    fairly similar ...
    Code:
               [U]SW1[/U]     [U]SW2[/U]
    TP1         24       0
    TP2         21       0 
    TP3         18      25
    TP4         19       0
    TP5         12      20
    TP6         15      11
                --      --
               109      56
    
               [U]D10[/U]     [U]D11[/U]
    TP15        68      48
    TP16        28      46
    TP17         4      44
    TP18        39      29
    TP19        12       9
    TP20        34      36
    TP21        55      41
    TP22         9      22
    TP23        37      25
    TP24        22      17
                --      --
               308     317
    
    Total:790
     
  15. Mar 19, 2009 #635 of 1236
    LameLefty

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    So . . . have you done a gross count to see what's happened to total channel count? 'Cause it looks like it's gone down when you add in the decreases on D10/11. :confused:
     
  16. Mar 19, 2009 #636 of 1236
    Sixto

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    added totals to the post. overall count went down. it's based on the gct spreadsheet. need to spend some time trying to figure out what went down and why. was just a quick pass.
     
  17. Mar 19, 2009 #637 of 1236
    LameLefty

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    Upon thinking it over, it makes me wonder if Directv didn't remove the many "test" channels they had in markets to get ready for the aborted Feb '09 digital transition. For instance, there were four channels up for additional locals in the Nashville market back last fall that were NOT listed the last time I dug through gct's spreadsheets a few weeks ago. Perhaps that's it?
     
  18. Mar 19, 2009 #638 of 1236
    doctor j

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    I've not dissected the channel count overall on this latest gct update but there were many "test" channels dropped between late december list and early february list. Birmingham and Nashville among many.

    Doctor j

     
  19. Mar 19, 2009 #639 of 1236
    P Smith

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    Sorry for bringing back to the topic :D,
    but wouldn't be beneficial for our members watch future activation D12 at orbit ?
    Could we find some volunteer(s) who likes to produce spectrum diagrams during future tests on D12 and at beginning of its real work ?
    [If you're interested to get BLSA board, raise your hand ;)]
     
  20. Mar 21, 2009 #640 of 1236
    Sixto

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    Based on the corrected data, have updated the LiL post above. Numbers now same as previous.

    Still interesting that Spaceway numbers remain low, especially SW2.
     
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