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SixtoReport: D10/D12 Satellite Info in Post#1 - Both D10 & D12 in service

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Sixto, May 7, 2010.

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  1. May 26, 2010 #561 of 1252
    Sixto

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    Used "national" because easier term for some. Same.
     
  2. May 26, 2010 #562 of 1252
    Tom Robertson

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    Actually not quite the same. National "should" refer to beams that include Alaska and Hawaii. Some reflectors have a lobe that covers those two, others need to duplicate feeds on another transponder/reflector.

    CONUS should be less common these days and only cover the lower 48.

    Cheers,
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  3. May 27, 2010 #563 of 1252
    harsh

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    I'd like to point out that the application says that they plan to move only the CONUS traffic back to D10.
     
  4. May 27, 2010 #564 of 1252
    DirectMan

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    The document states "to return CONUS traffic" from D10 to D12 - no mention of LIL traffic. That may or may not mean that all LIL traffic will permanently be transferred to D12 - perhaps subject to the results of the ameliorization procedures on D10.
     
  5. May 27, 2010 #565 of 1252
    Tom Robertson

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    Well they really can't talk about the spotbeams until they get the results of "the operation", now can they? :) :)
     
  6. May 27, 2010 #566 of 1252
    James Long

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    Exactly. The only mention of CONUS is for the services moved back DURING the migration back home to 102.815.
    There is no statement saying that LIL will not be moved back AFTER it reaches it's licensed home.
    To say "they plan to move only the CONUS traffic back to D10" is adding an important word that DirecTV didn't say.
     
  7. May 27, 2010 #567 of 1252
    Sixto

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    Yep, just used "national" to distinguish/specify channels that are transmitted nationally (for ease of understanding). :)

    (The nationals from D10 were an issue for the poster in the Bahamas when moved to D12.)
     
  8. May 27, 2010 #568 of 1252
    Sixto

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    Interesting, lots of studying every word (of my post) tonight. :)

    Yep, they did say that, and that's what I was referring to.

    Again, it was just for those concerned about 103 (ca) vs 103 (cb).
     
  9. May 27, 2010 #569 of 1252
    harsh

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    I added the word to draw attention to the fact that there was no mention (or implication) of moving LIL back to D10 in the May 26th application.
     
  10. May 27, 2010 #570 of 1252
    harsh

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    What else is there to do but parse the apparently not-yet-granted application???

    Taking exception to the operating parameters would seem to beg for additional scrutiny.
     
  11. May 27, 2010 #571 of 1252
    James Long

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    You made up a fact. There was no request to move D10 back at all in the first STA application (a point noted in the second application). Does that mean that D10 was going to stay at 102.6 after repair? No.
    I'm modifying a program to parse binary data and turn it into a human readable form and watching some recorded HD programming. There has to be something good on TV that you could watch. :)

    Anyways, hopefully the FCC will quickly approve - DirecTV can turn D10 up to 11 and everything will work out fine.
     
  12. May 27, 2010 #572 of 1252
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    That depends on what the definition of "is" is!
    :up_to_som
     
  13. May 27, 2010 #573 of 1252
    Sixto

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    Was referring to my post, not the application.

    Yes, we do need to study each filing, that's mostly the only public data available.

    And JL is correct, we do not know for sure the future configuration/utilization of the D10 spots. IMHO, they will at least return some of the previous LiL to D10. The quantity is unknown, and certainly they may now have a "new" projected D10/D12 LiL plan.

    If they indeed end this with 100% availability of the D10 spots, there may be lots of possibilities, some of which they hadn't yet contemplated until after the D10 amelioration became a sparkle in some engineers eye.

    Now we just hope for success!
     
  14. May 27, 2010 #574 of 1252
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    If it gets the Lansing DMA out of the 3%, then I'm giddy :)
     
  15. May 27, 2010 #575 of 1252
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    If things go well, perhaps some background source will provide more detail on the "sparkle in some engineer's eye". I have a suspicion they've been plotting this from not too long after D10 went live. . . just waiting for D12 to arrive on station to make it seamless for the customers. They surely must have had an in-depth "after" review with Boeing of what happened with D10, and likely that's when they would have identified what they could do about it.
     
  16. May 27, 2010 #576 of 1252
    BudShark

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    !rolling

    You should be more specific. They could simply add MORE markets not including Lansing... which would make you in the 1%. :D

    But hopefully you do end up being giddy... ;)
     
  17. May 27, 2010 #577 of 1252
    Sixto

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    Usually, each new satellite gets it's own guide data PID, and network designations/numbers for the national bandwidth and each spot. See all the gct/doctor j data here.

    For D12, it's totally sharing the D10 data for now. Been this way all along, since March.

    One theory (and this changes as new data becomes available :)) is that D12 is just mirroring D10, for now.

    Just move everything over 100% to D12, same PID, same network designations, same everything. This might make it much easier to just swap in D12 for D10.

    Then when D10 is ameliorated, just swap everything back identically as before, with some tweaks.

    Then create all new stuff for D12, as is usually done.

    Just a theory.

    It would be nice to actually see what they're doing with the D10 LiL. Awaiting doctor j data. Interested if SW1 is involved.

    This is all conjecture based on watching this day-to-day.

    And again, it changes regularly as new data is uncovered. :)
     
  18. May 27, 2010 #578 of 1252
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    Sixto

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    The thought on the corrective action may have existed for quite some time, or not, but based on comments here it appears that D12's time at 76° confirmed the next steps.
     
  20. May 27, 2010 #580 of 1252
    harsh

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    Other than assuring 100% redundancy between the spot beam payloads of D10 and D12, what other possibilities might be realized?
     
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