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SixtoReport: D10/D12 Satellite Info in Post#1 - Both D10 & D12 in service

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  1. May 27, 2010 #581 of 1252
    Sixto

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    Assuming that the engineers have been studying the possibilities of 1 + 1 = something less then 2, but more then 1, if possible.
     
  2. May 27, 2010 #582 of 1252
    harsh

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    I was looking for something tangible as my example demonstrated.
     
  3. May 27, 2010 #583 of 1252
    Sixto

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    One other thought ... it would be nice if someone spent the time to understand the detailed comparison of the D10 and D12 spots ... to understand what's technically possible.
     
  4. May 27, 2010 #584 of 1252
    Sixto

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    Me too. :)

    Feel free to do the technical analysis. Would be very interested to see the results of any such analysis.

    It seems like the data is mostly available, for those interested in dedicating the time.
     
  5. May 27, 2010 #585 of 1252
    BudShark

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    :confused:

    Well, considering 3% of the country is not covered by LiL based on current and announced plans, and the announced plans likely do NOT include potential results from D10, its safe to say if D10 goes as hoped, DirecTV will have something greater than 97%, but probably less than 100% of LiL HD coverage for the US. What more are you after?
     
  6. May 27, 2010 #586 of 1252
    P Smith

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  7. May 27, 2010 #587 of 1252
    Skyboss

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    I think the best part of all this is that D12 is getting an immediate workout. Always good to work out any "Fine Magic" issues that tend to pop up...
     
  8. May 27, 2010 #588 of 1252
    sb999

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    Sure. Get my hopes up yet again so they can be dashed mercilessly on the red rocks of this barren wasteland of non-HD local channels! :)
     
  9. May 27, 2010 #589 of 1252
    georule

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    I don't doubt it at all, but obviously there was a process and timeline leading up to that point as well. Engineers tend to be professionally annoyed by equipment that isn't doing what it ought to be capable of doing, and have been known to plot their revenge for long periods of time, waiting for the right moment to hatch it. Yeah, it could have been a short timeline epiphany that got us to this point. . . but absent testimony to that fact, I think the "stubborn engineer refusing to accept defeat" model is more likely.
     
  10. May 27, 2010 #590 of 1252
    skylab

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    So, I was watching the Star Trek TNG "Contagion" episode last night. The Enterprise was called to assist its sister ship, the USS Yamato. The Yamato was having unexplained problems much like the D10 satellite. The problems ended up destroying the Yamato, and the Enterprise developed similar problems after downloading the Yamato's logs. Similarly, D12 took on D10's programming load and I can only presume it will develop similar problems.

    Fast forwarding, the Enterprise discovers that its computer code is being corrupted by what we might call a virus. Data is later affected by the same virus, and the audience told he has died. Yet he wakes up and Geordi Laforge surmises that his system rebooted, clearing the virus. Geordi has an epiphany and proceeds to reboot the Enterprise and all is well.

    The lesson I learned from this episode when I first watched it in 89 was, "when you have unexplained systems problems, reboot." This worked great for Windows 3.1 through Windows Vista. D* are you watching your own programming? Have you tried rebooting D10? You may want to go ahead and also reboot D12 just in case.
     
  11. May 27, 2010 #591 of 1252
    HoTat2

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    But even if mirrored I take it there obviously must be something in the satellite guide data stream which instructs the receivers to specifically tune to D12's Ka-A band transponder frequencies for CONUS channel requests from 103 WL?
     
  12. May 27, 2010 #592 of 1252
    Sixto

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    inourgrave

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    Probably not as easy as swapping D10 for D12 they have to re-map everything, d12 was mirroring d10.
    I think transfered content on D12 stays, and not load balancing d10-d12.
     
  14. May 27, 2010 #594 of 1252
    Sixto

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    Yes, there are differences, especially transponder numbers, which is how we're tracking the movement for the nationals.
     
  15. May 27, 2010 #595 of 1252
    inourgrave

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    This was boeing's project so who knows what those guys were thinking, you'd be floored at how simple the fix is. And no one has guessed it.
     
  16. May 27, 2010 #596 of 1252
    Sixto

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    Correct. :)
     
  17. May 27, 2010 #597 of 1252
    Sixto

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    Thanks for joining.

    Yes, certainly was over simplifying it, and there are several differences. Just overall, seemed like there was a benefit to keeping some of the D10 structure (PID, network designations, ...). At least for the initial roll-out.

    Again, thanks for posting.
     
  18. May 27, 2010 #598 of 1252
    Lt Disher

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    Just to recap then, what I have seen as guesses here in this thread have been:

    1. Physically rotate the satellite and stop it quickly to somehow jolt the offending parts into their proper place. (This one seems to have been dismissed by those in the know.)

    2. Simply rebooting the satellite as you might do to a computer. Power off and then power on, in some way.

    3. Power off and then go through all of the normal startup processes that are done on a new satellite, in the hope that this will fix the problem.

    Perhaps there have been other suggestions that I missed.

    If you are correct that no one has guessed this simple solution yet, we need to put our heads together to think of some other simple procedure.
     
  19. May 27, 2010 #599 of 1252
    inourgrave

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    All I have to say there are some really smart people here!
     
  20. May 27, 2010 #600 of 1252
    Skyboss

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    I think it’s a Firmware/Software feed and a reboot. There's what looks like a planned signal burst, but that may just be a function of the start up procedure.

    Look, about the whole jarring loose thing: The thing is in space people - zero gravity - so flipping it over isn't going to do squat. If the intent was to jar something loose, you'd have to send a person up to do it. No thruster is going to cause a jolt effective enough. :nono2:
     
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