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SixtoReport: D12 Satellite Info in Post#1 - Live!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Sixto, Jul 27, 2008.

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  1. Mar 30, 2010 #4361 of 10270
    David MacLeod

    David MacLeod New Member

    Jan 29, 2008
    :) :) add a plasma yield weapon to every sat :D
    double duty as a "Star Wars: ABM system :lol:
    yeah that would be cost effective ... :grin:

  2. Mar 30, 2010 #4362 of 10270

    sswheeler Legend

    Aug 27, 2008
    Maybe it is stuck on a piece if debris and it needs a kick to get over it?
  3. Mar 30, 2010 #4363 of 10270

    Piratefan98 Icon

    Mar 11, 2008
    Shoulda used Michelin's.


  4. Mar 30, 2010 #4364 of 10270

    twaller Member

    Dec 17, 2005
    Following this thread is like watching paint dry.......grass grow.......(insert analogy here).......
  5. Mar 30, 2010 #4365 of 10270

    curt8403 Hall Of Fame

    Dec 27, 2007
    Self Destruct was a joke...
  6. Mar 30, 2010 #4366 of 10270

    freerein100 Legend

    Dec 13, 2007
    I have the feeling Directv may use the entire STA extension before drifting it
  7. Mar 30, 2010 #4367 of 10270

    PkDog AllStar

    Jul 23, 2009
    satellites drift --
  8. Mar 30, 2010 #4368 of 10270

    PhilS AllStar

    Sep 23, 2007
    Denton, TX
    I bet their goal is to finish testing by tomorrow - the last day of the quarter.
  9. Mar 30, 2010 #4369 of 10270
    Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

    Jun 18, 2006
    There's no reason to keep posting the same thing over and over. We have many other threads if you are bored reading this one.
  10. Mar 30, 2010 #4370 of 10270

    Rikinky Legend

    Mar 4, 2010
    Thank You. Good Grief!:zzz:
  11. Mar 30, 2010 #4371 of 10270

    Fog627 Legend

    Aug 27, 2009
    I think we need some divine intervention. Maybe we will have a Good Friday!!! :engel10: :nono2:
  12. Mar 30, 2010 #4372 of 10270

    Lancelink AllStar

    Feb 5, 2007
    Speaking of STA, it occured to me to go back and look at the STA authorzing the drift...


    It is virtually certain at this point that a new STA will be required to drift to the final slot. There is just not time to stay within the parameters of the authorization issued March 8th without using a whole bunch o gas. What is not so clear is whether a new Request for STA, which was actually filed Dec. 01, 2009, (the last 2 pages of the above document) is required. Under any circumstances IMHO nothing happens until more trees are killed, so the first notice that something is up probably won't be a TLE.

    Now, to make myself clear, this is not a D12 is falling metaphor of any kind. What it is is a kick in the pants (maybe) to a very stale discussion. Something new to talk about. Pile on!

    By the way, the rarely used by me H in IMHO is out of respect to Sixto and Lame Lefty, among others, who do unbelievable good work here..
  13. Mar 30, 2010 #4373 of 10270
    Mike Bertelson

    Mike Bertelson 6EQUJ5 WOW! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

    Jan 24, 2007
    I'm not sure nothing happens without more paperwork. It does say that the drift will be ≈20 days, and to be in position no later then May 5th. That leaves another 16ish days before it needs to start moving.

    Unless I'm not understanding that document correctly we still have over two weeks before anything has to happen. Now if they can't make May 5th then I'm sure we'll see some more paper. :D

  14. Mar 30, 2010 #4374 of 10270

    SpaceComo Cool Member

    Mar 28, 2010
    Ok, since we are bored and need something to talk about. Here is some more STA talk. I think it is highly likely they will have to cut some more trees to print STA’s for the “drift”.

    Before I go any further I am a “newbee” here at dbstalk, but not to the space business. Many thanks to Sixto and the other leaders of this site. I have had many to most of my questions answered, thank you all for the immense amount of time you spend on this and sharing with us all. It will take me some more time to read/scan thru the immense amount of information here and I am sure I do not know all that the seasoned members do, but I will offer my humble speculations and maybe a few additional facts. Forgive me if I end up repeating something already covered.

    1 – I have found an additional granted STA (SES-STA-20100319-00334) for the earth-stations supporting the IOT extension of D12. It was granted on 3/19/10 as was the space-station STA in “Sixto’s” post #2 in this thread. This in itself makes logical sense since both the earth-station and the space-station (D12) are now authorized to continue IOT testing parked at 76° until April 19th. But what is interesting are the “conditions” on page 2 of the new STA. Some conditions were in the previous extension of the STA, but now we have more and they include other reminders to DTV of requirements and what may also be going on in space.

    New SES STA for earth-station extension of IOT: (sorry, since I am new they won't let me post URL yet, so you will have to type/copy/paste this in, replace the xxxx with surfing language h..p)

    2 – The Boeing MCC is very busy, not just with D12. There are also a lot of other activities in the Geo region that could be having impacts on the testing and movement of D12.

    3 – I also am speculating that the RB-2A payload requires considerably more IOT testing due to the characterization of the new frequency band (17GHz) being used (antenna patterns, flux density measurements, and particularly interference analysis), since this is normally allocated for Earth-to-Space use. Even the early filing for the IOT from DTV speaks to the uncertainty of schedule for testing of the RB-2A payload.

    4 – Add to this that DTV is not yet advertizing on TV commercials about all the new capability they will have when D12 “lites-up”. I know, I know you should not advertize something you can’t yet deliver, but we should at least be hearing about the great new capacity that will be available soon. I bet they have some good commercial in the pocket ready to go. Even the DirecTV.com website is mute on the subject (other than a reference to Premium channels that are moving to make room for more HD).

    So I will humbly speculate that we are looking at another 2 weeks of sitting at 76° before the move commences since DTV now has authorization to sit there until April 19th. But of course DTV can still ask for more STA’s to push this schedule and they will be granted by the FCC, but time is money especially in this business, so we shall see.

    Thanks for reading this far. These are my opinions and I reserve the right to be incorrect.:D
  15. Mar 30, 2010 #4375 of 10270

    bobnielsen Éminence grise

    Jun 29, 2006
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    Sixto Well-Known Member

    Nov 18, 2005
  17. Mar 30, 2010 #4377 of 10270

    Hutchinshouse Hall Of Fame

    Sep 27, 2006
    Not to go off point, #4 is incorrect. I personally have seen DIRECTV commercials stating “they NOW have the capacity for over 200 HD channels”. I’ve seen this commercial several times. The word “now“ was used.

    Plus, the DIRECTV site states the same (And now with the capacity for over 200 HD channels).
    Here’s the link: http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/content/competition/comcast/hd
  18. Mar 30, 2010 #4378 of 10270

    SpaceComo Cool Member

    Mar 28, 2010
    Thanks, I missed that. I would still expect them to hit the market harder as they get closer.:hurah:
  19. Mar 30, 2010 #4379 of 10270

    Hutchinshouse Hall Of Fame

    Sep 27, 2006
    No worries.
    :welcome_s to DBSTALK.

    This site rocks!
  20. Mar 30, 2010 #4380 of 10270

    Lancelink AllStar

    Feb 5, 2007
    But the Drift STA is expressly for 30 days. So does that mean 30 days from Mar 8th to start drifting, or complete the operation? I would think complete it, but I don't know.

    Yep, they came and then mostly disappeared. Just speculation, but the more I think about it this might be a case of marketing getting too far out front before being told by engineering what is really happening. As SpaceComo :welcome_s (and others) have commented, RB-2A testing may well have taken longer than anticipated, but be complete with IOT of D12 happening now. Marketing getting ahead of things? That NEVER happens!

    But then what do I know.... Pass a banana and lets talk about it...
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