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SixtoReport: D12 Satellite Info in Post#1 - Live!

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Sixto, Jul 27, 2008.

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  1. May 3, 2010 #7861 of 10270

    Dradran AllStar

    Apr 21, 2010
    Since E14 has received several TLE's today and D12 has received none, does that mean they lost contact with D12 and don't know its position? There must be something wrong with D12 since E14 launched in late March and is already drifting to its operational orbit. D12 was launched late last year and is still sitting at 76.
  2. May 3, 2010 #7862 of 10270

    syphix Hall Of Fame

    Jun 23, 2004
    Wasn't there some "silence" when D10/D11 started moving? I seem to remember a "blackout" time, and then suddenly it was almost at the parking location. Am I remembering incorrectly?...it's entirely possible...
  3. May 3, 2010 #7863 of 10270
    Mark Walters

    Mark Walters Legend

    Sep 21, 2009
    James Long, I didn't use your words. I made a point about the idea of "professional journalism." Where did I use your words? In fact I changed the form and usage of professional journalism if we want to be accurate. Bottom line - I'm not supporting anybody. I made the point how it's ridiculous to denigrate a person who is being sourced on D*.com for the purposes of this overall discussion of new HD.

    By the way I read what you wrote and I have to ask, what are you talking about? Did you read what Swanni wrote?
    Let us take a look -- I'll break it down.

    1st graph - 200 capacity early D* claims
    2nd graph - total D* HD channels currently
    3rd graph - expectation most D* subs have
    4th graph - addition of 30 HD's over next few months
    5th graph - will bring total to 160 HD minus - PPV HD

    So far everything here is clear, concrete and accurate. No need for a source for anyone that has been following. Although D* has all these things on its site currently or at a time previously. Graph 3 is a customer expectation. You know when the first commercials about 200 HD came out --that sneaky fine print stated capacity. Well as we know, most people don't or can't read the fine print. After people like Swanni called D* out on that we started hearing and seeing 200 HD capacity commercials. Man, what a horrible person for being one of the ones that pressured D* to accurately portray the truth to its subscribers.

    6&7 graphs - 3D and more PPV will take up additional space - right, this has been said all along, let's keep going...
    8th graph - reiterating graph 4 - new 30 HD will take time (months)
    9th graph - nothing besides 30 HD have been announced
    10th graph - honest line to consumers who might be expecting 200 HD's by end of year to not hold breath. This graph is for subscribers that aren't experts and didn't see the fine print. They don't keep daily tabs and know all the different advertisements that D* puts out. These are the majority and average customers that already have service or might sign up to D* and see 200 HD all over the website. And most importantly this graph is a pellucid way of writing. It circumvents the misleading viral marketing that has been dispersed.

    OK WHAT IN HERE IS THE PROBLEM? I think you have a problem with this Swanni. That's fine, but nothing in this article is a stretch.

    Hell I bet we have tons of people, like me, who doubt we will have new HD in May. I'll be the first to admit it if I'm wrong but I don't find it very coincidental that D* released the 30 HD press release hours after E* launched more HD channels. I think we can be pretty certain that came out because E* launched more HD channels. I've seen D* press releases before and they aren't gospel. How about the HBO HD PR from 2007?

    People are still nervous on this very thread about when D12 will drift and launch. Could a press release from D* sometimes be as valuable as the imaginary money our Fed govt prints? Not saying that -- just asking..

    By the way - Swanni is an expert (according to D*). I'm not his public defender. But let us call a spade a spade. Go to D* .com and he is called an (EXPERT). "Read the experts...." it says.

    This article clearly shows Swanni is looking out for the consumer.. In other words RESULTS over flashy WORDS. Is that too much to ask because it sure as hell receives a lot of negative attention around here?

    And as far as D* quoting him on their website. It is in D*'s best interest to quote someone that is credible, accurate, fair, and that will promote their service positively not negatively. And yes other things said by someone you quote can hurt you and your business model. You say they found one article to fit their need? Would you quote someone for your business that bashes you on a consistent basis but maybe said one good thing? Couldn't that ultimately hurt you and your business in the digital age?

    When a terrorist organization supports a particular president for office- you think the campaign website is gonna start boasting about this? Well the terrorist is anti everything but he supports my presidency.. perhaps I should use this... huh? No because the opposite party (or competition) will use this against you..

    Is D* really that starved to find people to bash E* to prove who has a bigger sack (I mean number)? So did they use a Swanni quote out of desperation because the options were limited? Come one now -- not adding up here.

    PR -- smear r --You asked me the question, "And how does a properly sourced quote on DirecTV's website confirm that "DIRECTV says" anything in Swanni's article?"

    The answer to this is lucid IMO: It's not that D* says anything in the article but the representation of it being on D*.com and being linked for millions to see. People associate the two together -- you know cross marketing. In other words it's a full endorsement; that is how people look at it. This will likely have a very negative effect when D* users find mostly negative pages and items on Swanni's site. A news site to link to is one thing but a constant 24/7 blog of negative D* stories is bizarre to quote and link. As a scholar and employee in this field I would have that quote and site pulled immediately.

    When D* puts your name and your website up on its mainframe...YES that means the majority of its users attribute that to a linked association.

    Why would you use a person or site that is constantly negative about you and your company as your reference?
    Grab me any stakeholder because they would tell you the same thing. Just my thoughts.. not taking sides. Happy Monday!
  4. May 3, 2010 #7864 of 10270

    JLucPicard Hall Of Fame

    Apr 27, 2004
    Can we end the discussion of Swanni, please? This thread is for discussion of D12, and even given the natural drift, I think I'm not alone in not giving one rodent's behind what Swanni thinks or writes, nor do I want to see this thread continue to be a discussion about him (starting after I hit "Post Quick Reply" ;)). You can always take that fight to PM.
  5. May 3, 2010 #7865 of 10270
    Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

    Jun 18, 2006
    I wholeheartedly agree. I'm asking everyone to take a mental 5-minute time out. If you want to discuss something with someone in particular, send him a private message. Let's come back at 3PM Eastern time with a fresh perspective and a polite respect for the opinions of others.

    I'm going to leave this thread open but I will delete any posts between now and 3pm except those from my fellow moderators or my friend Sixto.

  6. May 3, 2010 #7866 of 10270

    wmb Godfather

    Dec 17, 2008
  7. May 3, 2010 #7867 of 10270

    brett_the_bomb Legend

    Oct 24, 2009
    sorry stuart, your post wasnt there when i posted. but i also wasnt part of that discussion so i think im safe. right?
  8. May 3, 2010 #7868 of 10270

    jilardi2 Legend

    Mar 6, 2008
    D12 went out for a beer at noon i think, or something like that is what i gathered from this page so far:D

    oh yeah and maybe some fish also, must be a british sat.

    and a quick question, does my ass look fat in these pants? be honest
  9. May 3, 2010 #7869 of 10270
    Mark Walters

    Mark Walters Legend

    Sep 21, 2009
    Yes mark - Enough of the Swanni PLEASE!:uglyhamme:uglyhamme Let's get back to D12 immediately please...thank you:)
  10. May 3, 2010 #7870 of 10270

    curt8403 Hall Of Fame

    Dec 27, 2007
    yes, yes. please :backtotop
  11. May 3, 2010 #7871 of 10270

    Dradran AllStar

    Apr 21, 2010
    No your pants do not make your ass look fat, your ass makes your ass look fat.
  12. May 3, 2010 #7872 of 10270
    Mark Walters

    Mark Walters Legend

    Sep 21, 2009
    You got it...I'm bringing it back...so um where we at here...we still waiting on a drift that we've been waiting for for about 86,400 minutes now? And what's the latest news?
  13. May 3, 2010 #7873 of 10270

    dpeters11 Hall Of Fame

    May 30, 2007
    No, there can't be anything majorly wrong with D12. No SEC filings have been published, which would be required if a major issue was found. They started announcing new HD channels. As has been mentioned before, E14 is going faster because they seem to have decided to use more fuel in putting it in position, DirecTV decided to have more lifespan. Plus DirecTV likely wanted to test more anyway because of the BSS payload.
  14. May 3, 2010 #7874 of 10270

    Dradran AllStar

    Apr 21, 2010
    It is a legitimate question or concern. I am really just wondering why it only took E* a little over a month to start drifting and D* is running up on 5 months. Seems odd to me.

    BTW, I am a D* subscriber.
  15. May 3, 2010 #7875 of 10270

    Dradran AllStar

    Apr 21, 2010
    This was all I was looking for, a straight answer not comments about my post number. Thank you.
  16. May 3, 2010 #7876 of 10270

    katzeye Legend

    May 1, 2007
    Yep, That's what happened.
  17. May 3, 2010 #7877 of 10270

    Skyboss Icon

    Jan 22, 2004
    Because E* is in a hurry to save subs from jumping ship.
  18. May 3, 2010 #7878 of 10270

    TBlazer07 Large Member DBSTalk Club

    Feb 5, 2009
    You actually CAN have your cake and eat it too, but you CAN'T eat your cake and have it too.
  19. May 3, 2010 #7879 of 10270
    Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    Nov 15, 2005
    A couple reasons: DIRECTV is very patiently using D12's fuel to maximize the lifespan of D12.

    D12 has a new set of transponders in a new frequency range. These are the first transponders that are expected to bring programming to the home, so DIRECTV needs to carefully measure how the frequencies actually work, how much power is necessary to receive clear signals at the home, and how much interference they create with other frequencies already in use. There is a lot of experimentation going on for this new frequency band, BSS.

    Very likely DIRECTV will share a lot of information to the FCC and other agencies about the characteristics of the new band. It's one thing to do all the number crunching on paper and quite another to actually test it with live gear. (Hopefully the numbers hold up fairly well...) :)

  20. May 3, 2010 #7880 of 10270

    Hdhead Hall Of Fame

    Jul 30, 2007
    I have given up watching for a new TLE, instead I am now watching 103(ca) for an indication of life.
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