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So, I Bought an iPad, and I'm NOT Happy.

Discussion in 'Tech Talk - Gadgets, Gizmos and Technology' started by Rich, Mar 27, 2011.

  1. Apr 2, 2011 #201 of 406
    Richierich

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    It doesn't state on their Website what the Battery Life is so I would need to know that as I am tired of only getting 2 to 3 hours of Battery Usage on my 14" Dell PC.
     
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    Rich

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    Damn shame to want something and not like it when you get it. I think the FAN's approach is what I'll try to follow, but he seems enamored by the Toshiba...

    If the Xoom would have had the same apps as my Droid, I'd keep it. I really can't understand why it doesn't. As bobukcat said, it seems as if they rushed it into production. Never a good thing.

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  3. Apr 2, 2011 #203 of 406
    Steve

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    My only concern with this tablet (Toshiba's) is it looks extremely thick, compared to the Xoom. And I find the Xoom more tiring to hold than the iPad2. I do like the rubberized back, tho, in case it gets dropped.

    I'm trying to find specs on the weight, thickness, and battery life, but can't seem to. Amazon has a product page for it here.
     
  4. Apr 2, 2011 #204 of 406
    hdtvfan0001

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    It has a "long life" and "replaceable" battery....both of which are pluses IMHO.

    But yes, we'll have to see the final specs.
     
  5. Apr 2, 2011 #205 of 406
    Stewart Vernon

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    You can upgrade the RAM pretty easily in an iMac too.

    Also, you can take apart an iMac about as carefully as you can a laptop and upgrade the hard drive there as well. The iMacs use laptop-like hard drives, so they cost a little more than desktop internal drives, though.

    Exactly... which is why I don't expect an iPad or iPhone to be expandable. I'm not sure who would buy any tablet computer and think it (or expect it) to be upgradeable. Would it be cool? Maybe... but Apple keeps releasing new models every year anyway, so who would upgrade their old one instead of buying the new one?

    But that was the point. I think for some reason people are buying iPads and expecting something different than has been advertised. You can walk into an Apple store or Best Buy and play with an iPad all you want before buying... so there really should be no surprises. As far as I can tell, there are no hidden limitations... so anyone who buys it and is surprised, didn't shop properly.

    It would be like buying a VW Beetle and being surprised that it won't do 200 mph on the open highway. What about the Beetle made you think that it would?

    The iPad is not a replacement for a good laptop or desktop. It just isn't.. so to complain that it isn't makes little sense... because it should be judged against what it claims to be.

    On that criteria, I'm sure there are still valid complaints because nothing is perfect.

    Yes... but in fairness... most desktop computers "upgrade" capability is smoke and mirrors... because how long can you really upgrade that desktop before you need a faster CPU or they switched to EISA, PCI, etc.? Most desktops really aren't as upgrade-able as they are sold... because the components available today will be obsolete in a year or two and you have to buy a new system anyway.

    I didn't say they were available today. My point was that the best selling computer ever was a closed system and no other computer (open or closed architecture) has come close to lasting as long or selling as many.

    So the ability to upgrade is often over-hyped since most folk end up replacing with a new model and don't actually upgrade much anyway. It's an illusion that some companies use to sell you something.

    I think of my Samsung HDTV from a few years ago that was sold as "3D ready" but of course it really isn't, because they stopped selling the 3D glasses for it and it isn't compatible with the current 3D implementation... so the upgrade-ability didn't amount to much as it turns out. I still have to buy a new TV if I wanted 3D.

    Not really. What drove the market away from the C64 had little to do with closed architecture and more to do with better technology and the expansion of PCs. The PC and Apple computers started to be a LOT better than the C64 and that company could no longer compete.

    An expandable C64 wouldn't have competed either. It needed to be re-invented, and Commodore waited too long and rested on its laurels while other companies innovated better computers.

    Show me where I can build my own PC and have IBM or Dell or HP support that!

    It's a strawman argument... because Apple is no different than other companies in that regard... they only support their products.

    Microsoft is generally where you would call for OS questions, not the PC manufacturer... and Microsoft has gone to a pay for play model... so they won't answer OS questions for free...

    Maybe Apple could start charging for OS tech support for people who build their own Macs.

    Not anymore... I know they sold that business to Lenovo... but I figured throwing that name into the mix would confuse people. IBM still makes servers, though... so you could compare an IBM server to a Mac Pro possibly.

    Which is essentially the same thing as not supporting other products. IF you install a new sound card, but Dell will not support your computer unless you take it back out... then it sure wouldn't help you with that sound card.

    Hence my original statement that being able to upgrade has less benefits than it is sometimes thought of having.

    That's the same way they should shop for an iMac or for an iPad or iPhone too. These devices are sold as closed systems... no surprised. In fact, like I said about the iMac... some have performed other upgrades (like a new hard drive) themselves that were not advertised as possible.

    If you want an upgradeable Mac you have to buy their "server" model... Of course now that Macs are using the same Intel chips as PCs... you can probably build one much easier now if you wanted. I don't know how easy it is to obtain the Apple OS, though, if you build your own.

    Like a lot of the older computers... there were some mods and things you could do to them. I did lots of things to my old TRS-80 color computers like adding more memory, replacing with a better keyboard, etc.. but I never modified my C64.

    For the purposes of this discussion, though, I was limiting the scope to intended upgrades that might be supported by a manufacturer. I'm not aware of any "mods" like we are just now talking about that any manufacturer ever supports.
     
  6. Apr 2, 2011 #206 of 406
    Shades228

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    You're speaking to specific products where I'm speaking as a company standpoint. Apple is a control freak so it controls everything with it's products. So you can't compare Apple to any other company for consumer use because no other company designs it's hardware and software together.

    Again Apple has their place but from a personal consumer stand point I don't want to buy something as flexible as a computer or a even a cell phone with having the openess that I want. I know that Apple will not give me that so I don't buy Apple.


    If you built a PC you would contact the manufacturer for each part for service. You would contact Microsoft for OS support (9 out of 10 times).

    If you did that with a Hackintosh Apple wouldn't even support the OS that you bought and paid for because you violated their terms by installing it on a non Macintosh computer.
     
  7. Apr 2, 2011 #207 of 406
    spartanstew

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    Yep, been waiting to see the Toshiba for awhile now. Am also anxious to see the first releases from LG and Acer.
     
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    Rich

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    I want to see what HP comes out with. They usually have good products, well thought out and well built. Expensive, a bit, but well worth the price.

    Rich
     
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    spartanstew

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    Stewart Vernon

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    I don't see Apple as the evil empire...

    But, be that as it may...

    The point I was making was... what control are you giving up? Why would you buy an Apple if you didn't want an Apple?

    You, as an example, say you expect more so you don't buy Apple. That's 100% correct for you to do... so you wouldn't buy an Apple product and then complain about it... you just wouldn't buy one because you know you don't want it.

    People who do buy Apple, on the other hand, aren't giving up any control at all. They are buying the product that most closely does what they want it to do.

    If I buy a VM Beetle instead of a Porsche... I'm not "giving up" speed. I didn't want speed in the first place.

    That was the point I was trying to make.

    I personally don't see Apple's desire to control its own product line as a bad thing... but independent of that, I was mainly refuting the notion that anyone who buys Apple has given up control. That implies that people were forced to buy the Apple product vs deciding it was what they wanted all along.
     
  12. Apr 2, 2011 #212 of 406
    Sixto

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    Interesting how this thread keeps have similarities to the book I'm reading (mentioned earlier).

    Some say "control freak" ... the latest chapter in the book refers to it as "The Whole-Product Theory" ...

    "From day one, Steve has lived a philosophy that is an extension of the holistic product development concept. This one says that you cannot produce successful technology products - products that work well and live up to expectations - unless the company that created the hardware also creates the software. I came to call his stance on this the Whole Product Theory"

    "For a time I argued with Steve about the notion. I thought that if we sold our software, as Microsoft does, we could be a better product and control the software market" ... "He convinced me I was wrong, and he did that not just with his reasoned explanations but, over time, by my witnessing the success of Apple's products and the deficiencies of just about everybody else's"

    So ... it's all part of the company's philosophy for product perfection. :)
     
  13. Apr 2, 2011 #213 of 406
    Alan Gordon

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    I'm a PC... just getting that out of the way... ;)

    I started with computers at a young age... knew my way around MS-DOS pretty well, and my first computer (of my own) was a Tandy (LOL!!) laptop. The only time I have ever used a Mac, I was not impressed... so I'm definately NOT an Apple fanboy by any stretch of the imagination...

    ... but over the years, I have come to respect them. It started with the iPod, it continued with the iPhone, and expanded once again with the iPad... which is the first Apple product that I own.

    I could never justify the cost of the iPod, and the iPhone was never an option until recently, and by then, well, I already had a Samsung Android phone that (aside from a few bugs and Samsung's slow pace at updating their OS) offers a comparable experience to the iPhone... some things superior, some things inferior. However, the iPad... well, I couldn't help but get it, and I absolutely LOVE IT!

    I've seen some of the Android tablets, and I think it's great that there are choices out there, but unlike the Android phones, I've yet to be impressed by them. Bottom line, if the Android tablets were all there were out there, I would've put off buying a tablet for at least a couple more years. That's not to say the iPad is perfect, but it's closer for me than the alternatives out there.

    As for the "Apple Kool-Aid," well, I try to stay away from the term "Kool-Aid" as a general usage, because it's basically insulting someone's intelligence, implying that they are too gullible to form an opinion on their own... which is sometimes the case, but can also simply be a case of someone having different tastes or opinions.

    I will probably remain a PC... at least for some time anyway. In a perfect world, I'd love to give a Mac a try, but Macs aren't exactly priced for my tax bracket, but who knows, one of these days that might change, and I'd like to give them a try, but until then, I'll stick with my PCs and iPads... ;)

    ~Alan
     
  14. Apr 2, 2011 #214 of 406
    Alan Gordon

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    I totally agree.

    Buying the iPad has been one of the smartest purchases I've made in recent history, and I don't feel like I've given up anything.

    Interesting that this discussion is happening on a satellite message board when both satellite companies produce their STB operating systems...

    ~Alan
     
  15. Apr 3, 2011 #215 of 406
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    Having just bought my first Mac last year I was the same way about cost. I thought they were way too expensive. But the build quality alone (I got a MacBook pro) makes the pricetag worth it. I'm glad I bit the bullet and did it. It wasn't easy when I looked at comparable PCs with pricetags at a fraction.
     
  16. Apr 3, 2011 #216 of 406
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    ...in Linux.

    There. Helped finish you sentence. :D
     
  17. Apr 3, 2011 #217 of 406
    Chris Blount

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    I agree. I got tired of cheap plastic crap. Resale value on Macs is also much higher. Once you buy your first Mac, you never have to pay full price again. Selling the old one is much more lucrative.
     
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    Ah yeah, never thought about that. I've always sold the iPhones and recently iPad to upgrade but never even really crossed my mind I could do the same with the MBP. Time for an upgrade? Lol
     
  19. Apr 3, 2011 #219 of 406
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    Rich, I have Swiftkey on my Xoom but I'm not sure where I got it as I don't see it in the Android Market on my Xoom. I probably downloaded a beta version apk from somewhere or possibly installed from the Amazon Market which does show it. Either way its not my favorite keyboard on the Xoom or my Droid. For the Xoom I prefer the ThumbKeyboard application. What other applications from the X weren't there for the Xoom, if you remember?
     
  20. Apr 3, 2011 #220 of 406
    Rich

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    I had to sync up the Xoom with the Droid X. Somehow, the Xoom knew the Droid was there and it downloaded some of the apps I have on the Droid, but not SwiftKey for some reason. It wasn't because SwiftKey wasn't free, the Xoom also got the Oxford English Dictionary, which costs about $30. I have no idea why this happened.

    I don't remember seeing Springpad offered on the Xoom. I also couldn't find any other keyboard options and that was a complaint I saw on a review. I did get a DBSTalk app on the Xoom, but all I could do was look at posts. I did get a NetFlix app with the iPad and I couldn't get one on the Xoom. Can't get one on my Droid either. All in all, the iPad did have a lot of apps that I might have used that the Xoom didn't.

    I'm used to using SwiftKey, but I'll give Thumbkeyboard a try. I like the way SwiftKey finishes sentences. Seems like the more you use it, the better it gets at that.

    I gotta admit, between the iPad, the Xoom and the Droid, I'm not sure what apps were where. Confusing, to say the least. The Xoom just didn't seem as well finished as the iPad was.

    If my answer seems like a very confused person wrote this, it's because a very confused person wrote it.... :lol:

    Rich
     

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