Software Update with Over the Air

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  1. Jan 11, 2019 #41 of 136
    slice1900

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    You weren't any closer than anyone else who has tried to order the LCC, been in a DMA where it isn't being tested, and told they were getting it and then didn't. Seriously, you could probably try to order to a Hopper 3 and find a CSR who tells you you'll get one.
     
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  2. Jan 11, 2019 #42 of 136
    dod1450

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    Yes there is no fee for the AM-21 connection. The only problem Directv NO longer (stop making them) have them available for customers. I do see some on ebay.
     
  3. Jan 11, 2019 #43 of 136
    Rich

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    Hard to believe. I thought they had a charge for every piece of equipment. Seems almost honorable.

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  4. Jan 11, 2019 #44 of 136
    cmoss5

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    I own an AM21 and had for several years now...the LCC will be better than the AM21, I believe and will probably cost us $50 for this item when is available nation wide in the near future since a couple of areas have it now and can you imagine 30,000 or 50,000 orders at one time being put into DIRECTV...I suppose they will have to have a lot of them in stock before they can start sending them out to us. Chat online on my Directv
    rep and put my name on future ship/mail list for the LCC?? We know how that goes...
     
  5. Jan 11, 2019 #45 of 136
    slice1900

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    I doubt there will be a big burst of orders about the LCC unless Directv goes out of their way to promote them to customers the moment they launch. They practically kept the AM21 a secret, even most installers didn't know what it was. I doubt the LCC will be any different, at least not until they send mailers out to 20 million customers offering them a discount if they get it and drop their locals.
     
  6. Jan 11, 2019 #46 of 136
    James Long

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    Please don't give AT&T any ideas. :)

    Unfortunately there are costs involved to provide the EPG listing for not only the main channels but the subchannels in each market. The test markets are allowing customers to subscribe to packages without locals for $10 less per month. The fees being charged by broadcasters must be hitting DIRECTV hard to be able to give up part of their income. It only makes sense if DIRECTV is paying local stations more than $10 per month in fees. (The investment DIRECTV made in spotbeam satellites and uplink centers won't be refunded if DIRECTV ends locals - and the fixed cost of receiving, backhauling and uplinking the channels remains the same whether there is one customer in each market subscribing to locals via satellite or 100 million per market. Only the fees passed through to broadcast stations would increase or decrease based on the number of paying subscribers.)
     
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  7. Jan 11, 2019 #47 of 136
    danny baker

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    called today LLC should be here tomorrow, when i get will post pic. btw no charge. normal price $19.95.
     
  8. Jan 11, 2019 #48 of 136
    CraigerM

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    I got that OTA update on my HR-44.
     
  9. Jan 11, 2019 #49 of 136
    HoTat2

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    Ok, keep us posted ... good luck ...

    Don't be surprised if what arrives isn't as promised ..

    Since AFAIK, you'll be the first of those that post on these forums to have managed to get an LCC outside the test markets ...

    Sent from my LG-H932 using Tapatalk
     
  10. Jan 11, 2019 #50 of 136
    scottchez

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    You should do one of those First Look Write ups, put it in a MS word or PDF doc and post it, since your the first, you will be famous,
    plus you will get a dozen Thank You's from me and others.

     
  11. Jan 11, 2019 #51 of 136
    scottchez

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    With Dish your get $12 for going with their OTA USB Adapter and no locals plus you have to pay full price for the USB Tuner on your own.
    Directv is giving you $10 off so wonder if they are pocketing the $2 or applying it to the cost of the USB Tuner they give you.
    My Cable Co insider says Locals cost them $14 a month but that is for all the locals and sub channels.
    Bet they still make some profit somehow buying in bulk. Main thing is gives them bargaining power as now when they turn off locals there is an other option which is the USB OTA TUNER.

     
  12. Jan 12, 2019 #52 of 136
    AngryManMLS

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    Isn't the LCC really an Hauppauge device?
     
  13. Jan 12, 2019 #53 of 136
    P Smith

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    most likely, but lets wait for @danny baker report
     
  14. Jan 12, 2019 #54 of 136
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    If it is like the Other guys solution yes it is Hauppauge BUT they change the DEVICE Code and Name to some thing ATT or Directv so ONLY their product will work and only they can sell it.
    Hopefully Directv is not that greedy and they let us by them direct as I think competition will bring the price down if many can sell it , even Hauppauge.

     
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  15. Jan 12, 2019 #55 of 136
    dod1450

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    For those who are thinking about stopping your local channels from satellite to OTA. Just wanted to let you know if you are using Directv applications on your phone. The local OTA channels are not visible from your DVR at your home.
     
  16. Jan 12, 2019 #56 of 136
    dod1450

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    I would suggest that you log into your account to see the order status. If not give them a call to confirm.
     
  17. Jan 12, 2019 #57 of 136
    James Long

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    The costs charged by broadcasters is not the same in every market. DISH and DIRECTV have set a price point which (for now) does not vary by market. If the costs go up in the larger markets they could introduce a variable charge (similar to DIRECTV's RSN fee).

    Offering OTA tuners will affect negotiations. Not delivering locals to every customer in the market reduces the amount of money the stations are getting. The station's costs do not go down when viewers switch from satellite delivery to OTA. And while a local station is never charged for carriage via satellite, they have set their budgets assuming that they will get paid extra for satellite and cable subscribers (whether those subscribers are viewers or not). We could see situations where a local station demands payment for ALL subscribers in their market, whether the subscriber receives local channels via satellite or not.

    It is a messy situation. It started out as "community access television" services where many people shared an antenna and they paid a local company for the infrastructure to deliver that antenna signal to their homes. The local stations got upset that the CATV companies were making money (regardless how little) by delivering their signal. What really hurt the local stations was when CATV started delivering alternate programming - out of market superstations, movie channels and eventually other channels that competed with local broadcasters. That is where their demand to be paid and protect the affiliation agreements the local station paid for hit the courts - and the courts ruled in favor of the local stations. Since then paying a fee to a local station has grown from a token payment to a major cost for cable/satellite. And the stations have become accustomed to receiving the payments.

    Cable companies do not have the option of not providing local channels. They can refuse to pay and carry an individual station's channels, but they cannot offer a package without locals. So for cable it is already an all or nothing situation. If they decide the local CBS/NBC/ABC/Fox affiliate is charging too much they can decide to drop the station completely. They cannot offer their subscribers the option to use their own antennas for locals.

    The stations being hurt by this messy situation are the non-commercial and less popular commercial stations that have chosen "must carry". They are not paid by cable or satellite for the rebroadcast of their signals. None of that $10/$12/$14 charge goes to these stations. When a satellite customer decides that paying for locals costs too much and drops locals ALL local channels are removed from that customer's satellite delivery. Including those not easily receivable OTA. The law does not allow satellite companies to continue to deliver the "must carry" stations and allow individual customers to opt out of the "consent to carry" stations charging the big bucks. The law also does not allow individual customers to opt out of paying for one local affiliate while still receiving another via satellite.

    A messy situation indeed!
     
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  18. Jan 12, 2019 #58 of 136
    KyL416

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    It also didn't help that for much of the 90s before LIL service was a thing, many cable companies ran anti-satellite ads bragging how they had locals and satellite didn't, or mocking how people with satellite needed an antenna to get "snowy pictures" on their locals. Which gave local stations a motive to demand money when the retrans laws were being drafted, since cable companies were using their carriage as a competitive advantage.
     
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  19. Jan 12, 2019 #59 of 136
    James Long

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    True. Cable did demonstrate that they were making profit specifically off of the retransmission of local channels. And satellite did their part by attempting to deliver the national networks via distants instead of local stations. Once the courts ruled that retransmission without permission was a copyright violation a solution needed to be found to allow cable and satellite retransmissions to continue.

    The laws written to allow retransmission were (and remain) imperfect. I wish they would have written in statutory rates for local rebroadcasts as well as for distants but they didn't. I believe those supporting the original laws did not foresee retransmission fees becoming such a large part of the industry. And now that the rates are here it is difficult to reverse the mistakes of decades ago.
     
  20. Jan 12, 2019 #60 of 136
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    Best write up on the Local and OTA mess I have seen in a long time. This is a must read post. I forgot all about the history part.

     

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