Some good news I hope for all the OTA fans from DirecTV

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  1. reds1963

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    My AM21 is dying these days i have to unplug then plug it back in to get the station to show a picture , i did inquire about the LCC and was told they have them , but they will not let me have or purchase one , since my locals are not in any kind of dispute at this time .
     
  2. HoTat2

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    AM21s still holding up fine here ...

    But unfortunately after a very successful expansion of the OTA database for the LA market (and other markets as well I understand), the guide info. has inexplicably failed for many of the new channel additions. With most of them now simply reading "Regular Schedule."

    Just like they were low power channels outside the DIRECTV database detected off-air ...

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  3. HoTat2

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    Oh well . ...

    Back to mainly relying on my OTA TiVo again for DVR'ing off-air programming ... sign ...

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  4. slice1900

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    I don't see why they would add the OTA section to the HS17's firmware if they weren't going to add the driver for the LCC. Unless the HS17's USB port is not functional (which makes no sense which have one if it isn't connected) there's no reason they wouldn't want to support the LCC on it.

    From the sound of things, it appears they are going to try to entice people to drop locals on their satellite and pick them up via OTA. If Directv gives them a $10 discount for doing so they'll still come out ahead since locals cost more than that in many markets and the price will only go up in the future. It also helps Directv have a bit better negotiating position when threatened with a blackout, since fewer customers would be affected.

    If that's the plan, the more customers they can get to do this the better off everyone else. So they have a good reason to support the HS17, even if they originally had no plans for OTA when it was first designed.
     
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  5. SledgeHammer

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    I'm honestly seeing less and less need for OTA. Main channels come with DirecTV. I don't know about your area, but I live in the Los Angeles area and our sub channels suck. ABC sub channels are all stretched / distorted. Another sub channel, I forgot which ones likes to take 4:3 content (which is pretty much the main reason for OTA) and compress it down to 3:3 (yup, a square picture). And yet another channel takes 4:3 content, pillars it, letter boxes that, then pillars that whole mess and then slaps another letter box on it. No joke. So the picture literally only fills the center 25% of the screen.
     
  6. NR4P

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    Come to parts of the USA where thunderstorms are normal for the summer months. It's not the subchannels need, its to just watch TV. Locals for sports, local news, aside from prime time programming.
    For this issue, if the Genie, assuming it is broadband connected, just cut over to the streaming version like the Dtv App, would minimize the need for OTA during rain fade (or snow in some areas).

    Then there is the need for local channel disputes. I have no idea, but maybe Directv will give them away during a local dispute? That could be the plan.
     
  7. KyL416

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    If you're seeing squished pictures on a subchannel, it might be that your TV's tuner doesn't automatically handle SD widescreen channels. My Toshiba TV and Windows Media Center automatically recognizes them, but on my Viore and LG TVs we have to manually switch it to widescreen with the picture size button.

    The Katz networks Laff, Escape, Grit and Bounce all switched to widescreen earlier this year, and others like Cozi, Justice Network, StartTV, Decades, Heroes & Icons, MeTV, Movies!, Comet, Stadium, TBD, Light TV, Quest, Create, World and PBS Kids also originate in widescreen.

    You mentioned KABC, they carry both Live Well and Laff in SD widescreen, they used to have Livewell in HD like the rest of the ABC O&O's, but they dropped it down to SD widescreen after KRCA/Estrella started spectrum sharing with them.
     
  8. SledgeHammer

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    I go OTA through my AM21 + HR24, so I guess that's the culprit. Does your setup fix window boxing too? Windowbox (filmmaking) - Wikipedia
     
  9. SledgeHammer

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    But your location is "Sunny Florida" :). Yeah, I don't get too many storms / rain fade. I think I've gotten rain fade maybe once in my 20+ yr DirecTV career. I watch the sub channels for the TV classics and This Old House, but finally the local PBS channel started airing TOH in legit HD.
     
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    It depends on how the station originates their signal. If there is a station doing letterboxing instead of SD widescreen for one of those widescreen networks, you might have some luck sending an e-mail to the station's engineering department. That's how I got my stations fixed after the Katz networks switched to widescreen earlier this year as well as France 24 on one of my PBS stations.

    Like that Create example. Create originates in SD widescreen, so older 4:3 programs are pillarboxed by the network. Since that station is incorrectly showing Create letterboxed, it results in the windowbox effect whenever those older programs air. If that's your station, you can try sending an e-mail to their engineer and ask them to make Create SD widescreen like most of the other PBS stations have it.
     
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  11. HoTat2

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    I'm in the LA market too (So. LA area specifically) ...

    Can you tell me what channels are annoyingly letterboxed this way to check on my end?

    I have 2 HR24s here with AM21s attached and a HR54 Genie with one.

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  12. SledgeHammer

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    7-3 on my setup is stretched SD for me. Night Court, That 70's Show, etc. <-- this one is easy to check since its pretty much all the classic shows in the evenings.

    I can't remember the one that doesn't 4:3 -> 3:3... I want to say its one of the 18's. Specifically I'd see this on the Incredible Hulk (70's version).

    The window boxing occurs on some of the PBS channels.
     
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    Can you take a picture of what you see? Laff now originates in widescreen, so the network pillarboxes older shows like Night Court, Home Improvement and earlier seasons of That 70's Show. According to Rabbitears, KABC is one of the stations that switched them to widescreen earlier this year.

    Here are some VLC screenshots of how Laff looks as SD Widescreen on ABC's Philly O&O WPVI 6-3 right now, along with the PBS subchannel nets World, PBS Kids and Create:
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    On the other hand, here's a before and after shot of France 24 on WLVTDT3, the first is from August, prior to when I got their engineer to fix the channel:
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    There is an issue with stations with older encoders that insert a Sequence Display Extension header and DirecTV and the AM21 isn't properly detecting them as SD widescreen so you need to use the format button to see them properly. Like here I have to do it for KYW, WNEP/WVIA and WPHL/WUVP's SD widescreen subchannels, even though my Toshiba's tuner and the DTV converters on my spare TVs handle SD widescreen just fine for those channels. While the aspect ratios for WOLF, WPVI, WDPN, WBRE, WYOU, WCAU/WWSI and WBPH/WFMZ/WPPT/WLVT's SD widescreen subchannels are detected properly with my AM21/HR24-500.
     
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    Ok, don't have access to the two HR24s with AM21s at the moment ...

    But on the Genie with AM21 anyhow, LAFF on 7-3 is showing in stretched 16:9 SD (or "stretch-a-vision") ... yuck.

    And the KLCS PBS subchannels 58-2 (PBS Kids) and 58-3 (Create) are both in 16:9 SD. And KOCE 50-2 (PBS-2) is in 16:9 SD. 50-3 (Daystar) and 50-4 (PBS World) are both in 16:9 SD anamorphically squeezed into 4:3 (or "squish-a-vision") ... yuck again .

    And 50-5 (PBS Kids) is in 16:9 SD.

    Not seeing any letterbox images on those channels, but will check on one of the HR24s when they're available.

    Family members watching them both at the moment.

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    You might want to try sending an e-mail to KABC and Laff then, it sounds like they are incorrectly cropping it to 4:3 even though the aspect ratio for 7-3 is set to 16:9. WUVP and WDPN in Philly had the same problem with their sister networks Bounce, Escape and Grit after they initially switched to widescreen, but they had since fixed it. Check the screenshot I posted from WPVI. That's how Laff's supposed to look.

    Try sending an e-mail to KOCE, if they are showing 50-2 and 50-5 in the proper aspect ratio, they shouldn't have a problem doing the same for their other subchannels. All they have to do is change the aspect ratio flag to 16:9 on 50-3 and 50-4.
     
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    Yeah OK ...

    Thanks for the head's up ...

    Will contact KABC and LAFF.

    Just like "That 70's Show" in on right now and it's clearly displaying as 4:3 stretched to 16:9.[​IMG]

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  17. SledgeHammer

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    Yup. Every show on 7-3 is Stretch-O-Vision from what I've seen. That 70's Show, Night Court. I posted a pic on here many years ago of window boxing on one of the OTAs. Like I said, I tried watching the '70's Incredible Hulk on one of the OTAs and it was 4:3 squeezed to a square pic. I'm pretty sure it was on one of the 18 sub channels.

    Channel 5 sub channels show classic shows too, but somehow they manage to do it right.

    I've also seen TBS airings of married with children distorted on both the SD and HD channel.

    Another one of the OTAs air's MacGyver. I think that's on Saturdays / Sundays. That's all distorted too.
     
  18. SledgeHammer

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    Here is a 3:3 pic from 18-4 that I got just now:
     

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    If you want to, you can try contacting their chief engineer that's listed as the closed captioning contact in KSCI's public profile.

    You can also try contacting CGNTV America at the e-mail address listed at the bottom of their website. But since KSCI's subchannels are all time brokered ethnic programming, there might be a language barrier if you try to contact them.
     
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  20. SledgeHammer

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    Yeah, I don't want to watch Korean church stuff that bad lol... only reason I ever went to that channel was because they aired Incredible Hulk or MacGyver at some point and it was distorted like that.
     

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