Some good news I hope for all the OTA fans from DirecTV

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  1. Mar 7, 2018 #161 of 313
    slice1900

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    I agree, and Directv's CEO even mentioned this directly back in 2013, strongly hinting about improving OTA support to gain more leverage in broadcast disputes. Not sure if they never pursued it, or they did but the initiative was dropped once AT&T came calling.

    Always seemed like it made a ton of sense - I am now paying $11/month for locals to Mediacom, and while they are a lot smaller and have less negotiating leverage than AT&T does, I have to believe the typical cost for locals is approaching $10 for Directv subscribers. They could introduce an OTA module, break out the locals price like they did the RSN price, and give people the option of dropping their locals to save money.

    Would also help bring in more Directv Now customers who live in areas where they don't have locals or some are missing.
     
  2. Mar 7, 2018 #162 of 313
    P Smith

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    damn !
    perhaps someone could open a cover of it and make good pictures of common view and local shots at chips
     
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    Do a search, I did that like 2 years ago on this site when the AM-22P was being distributed. Pics of the internal board.
     
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    Inside the AM22P-700.
     
  5. Mar 8, 2018 #165 of 313
    P Smith

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    Thank you.

    U6201 looks as NVRAM to me ... but by the picture it's still not clear how to read labels :(
    I could guess, if two small TQFP chips near tuner can are demods; big chip Spartan is main processor (custom PLC) to control tuners, demods and another chip for handle USB communication with DTV STB...

    Perhaps someone could post FCC ID for AM21N and AM22T ? For checking FCC site for schematics ...
     
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  6. Mar 8, 2018 #166 of 313
    RAD

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    Hell, a few years ago a DIRECTV executive said this before they pulled a 180 and decided OTA wasn't important.
     
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  9. Mar 9, 2018 #169 of 313
    slice1900

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    Yes, that article is from the same time frame as the Directv CEO's statements. Sounds like maybe they were considering building a tuner into the Genie. Wonder why they decided against it?

    The ATSC patents were mostly expired by then so the licensing was a lot cheaper than it was back when they did they the H20 (ATSC patents were reportedly in excess of $20 per device in the mid 2000s) Those patents are all expired by now, but it won't be long before you need ATSC 3.0 and then the licensing cost becomes an issue again...
     
  10. reds1963

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    still nothing new on this front ???
     
  11. mgavs

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    I dumped my AM21 and replaced it with a fantastic tuner and DVR, see my AM 21 tuner post, we love it and it’s the best way to get networks (Free!).
    Also replaced directv HBO and Showtime via Appletv, MUCH better and cheaper. Turned off directv locals which saved some bucks.
     
  12. HoTat2

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    Nah ...

    Was on the phone to the Loyalty dept. on another issue about two weeks ago, and for the heck of it asked if they per chance had any info. And to his credit the rep. there really gave me a Herculean effort to ask all around and seach everywhere possible on his end for even an inkling of news about it.

    But everything was still a zero on it.

    However, I'm beginning to think the strange recent large increase DIRECTV made to their OTA database to only four local TV markets back in late May might have something to do with field testing for the new OTA dongle in those markets by slected subs. there under NDAs.


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  13. slice1900

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    That's an interesting idea, and having LA (Directv's HQ) and Dallas (AT&T's HQ) among the four, would make some sense there since AT&T seems to prefer testing stuff with its employees in early stages.

    Anyone know if AT&T has any significant presence in Salt Lake City or Las Vegas, the other two cities that saw a bunch of OTA channels added to the database?
     
  14. Al K

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    After reading the recent threads, I hooked my AM21 up again. The data base for the past many months had only three stations total for Phoenix and Tucson. All of the stations are back and the AM21 is working fine again.

    On another note, Phoenix is currently a testing site for the new ATSC 3.0 transmissions. I assume there would have to be a dongle update in the future.
     
  15. Jul 1, 2018 #175 of 313
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    For what's worth, the recent "repacking" of OTA digital channels is going very badly here in Philly. I think I've lost 25% of my OTA channels since they started repacking. For some reason, a number of UHF channels are repacking to VHF!
     
  16. Jul 1, 2018 #176 of 313
    James Long

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    The repacking is intended to free up higher UHF channels ... so unless a lower UHF channel is available the VHF band channels become a natural target.
     
  17. Jul 1, 2018 #177 of 313
    HoTat2

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    Wouldn't mind it so much if it was the VHF-hi band RF channels 7-13 ...

    But when they move to the VHF-lo ones 2-6 I'm out of luck as my rooftop antenna can't receive that band. Nor do I have any desire to put up one with its large cumbersome elements which includes it.

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    Between KJWP on RF 2, WACP on RF 4 and WPVI on RF 6, Philly was already a VHF-lo market long before the repack, in addition to the VHF-hi channels 60-x WBPH on RF 9 and WHYY on RF 12. Those so-called "HDTV Antennas" that are usually optimized for UHF reception and get mediocre VHF-hi reception haven't cut it in Philly and other markets with at least one VHF-lo digital since 2009 unless you are close enough to the towers where it doesn't matter what type of antenna you use as long as there are no obstructions. While those who were relying on OTA during the analog era already had antennas that supported all bands, unless they were an "assume Fox viewing positions" family with a non-UHF antenna that only got channels 3, 6, 10, 12 and if they were lucky, 8 out of Lancaster.


    As for the rest of the moves in the market that already happened:
    35-x WPPT (ex-WYBE) is sharing with WBPH Bethlehem on RF 9
    44-x WMCN is sharing with WHYY on RF 12
    48-x WGTW is sharing with WMGM Wildwood on RF 36
    52-x WNJT is sharing with WNJS on RF 22
    62-x WWSI is sharing with WCAU on RF 34
    65-x WUVP is sharing with WPHL on RF 17
    And later this month:
    51-x WTVE will share with WPHY on RF 50
    39-x WLVT and 69-x WFMZ Allentown will also share with WBPH on RF 9 in the Lehigh Valley
    35-x WPPT, 39-x WLVT and 60-x WBPH will also be available via WFMZ's Philly repeater on RF 45


    The final post repack RF lineup for Philly will be the following:
    2 - 2-x KJWP
    (3 is protected for WJLP Middletown)
    4 - 4-x WACP
    (5 can't be used for LPTV in Philly unless they enter a co-location agreement with WPVI)
    6 - 6-x WPVI
    7 - WFMZ's Philly repeater (35-x WPPT/39-x WLVT/60-x WBPH/69-x WFMZ)
    (8 is protected for WGAL Lancaster)
    9 - WBPH's main Lehigh Valley signal (35-x WPPT/39-x WLVT/60-x WBPH/69-x WFMZ)
    10 - WMGM-LD Atlantic City
    (11 is protected for WBRE Wilkes-Barre and WPIX NYC)
    (12 is protected for WYOU Scranton and WNET NYC)
    13 - 12-x WHYY/44-x WMCN
    (14-15 can only be used for extremely directional LPTV to protect Land Mobile use in the NYC DMA)
    16 - 41-x WDUM-LD
    17 - 17-x WPHL/65-x WUVP
    (19-20 are protected for Land Mobile use in the Philly DMA)
    21 - 7-x WEFG-LD
    22 - 25-x WPHY-CD/51-x WTVE
    23 - 23-x WNJS/52-x WNJT
    24 - 24-x WPHA-CD
    25 - 36-x W36DO
    26 - 34-x WQAV-CD
    27 - 8-x WPSJ-CD
    28 - 10-x WCAU/62-x WWSI
    29 - 33-x WZPA-LD or 45-x WELL-LD*
    30 - 3-x KYW
    31 - 29-x WTXF
    33 - 57-x WPSG
    34 - 61-x WPPX
    35 - 28-x WFPA-CD
    36 - 40-x WMGM/48-x WGTW
    * WZPA-LD and WELL-LD have competing displacement applications for RF 29, so unless they modify it to be a sharing arrangement, the loser will have to find a different RF number

    Outside of the Lehigh Valley signals, and WMCN from Atlantic City, no other Philly station moved to VHF as a result of the repack. Depending on where you are, you probably lost WGTW/TBN since it moved to WMGM's Atlantic City signal and probably lost the former WYBE when it moved to WBPH's siginal in the Lehigh Valley and became WPPT. But at the same time, you probably gained WWSI and WMCN who moved from Atlantic City to Philly/Roxborough signals, and starting on July 18th will gain better reception of WBPH, WPPT and WLVT if you're in range of WFMZ's Philly repeater, and WPSJ who will be moving to the main Roxborough antenna farm in summer 2019.

    Subchannel wise, despite all these shares, Philly hasn't really lost anything. WFMZ moved Heroes & Icons and Retro TV to their sister station KJWP, WLVT picked up France 24 from the former WYBE, WNJS picked up NHK World in HD from the former WYBE, the new 35-x WPPT has MHz Worldview and World Channel which is new to the market, WUVP moved GetTV to WFPA's signal and dropped the WFPA simulcast when they started sharing with WPHL, while WFPA picked up the new subchannel network Quest.

    Once everything is done, most of the stations will be boosting their power as well since the FCC allowed stations to increase their power to match the coverage area of the strongest station in their market. (i.e. KJWP and WACP will be tripling their power in July 2019, while WBPH and WPVI have pending applications to boost their power, and most of the UHF stations will also be boosting their power)
     
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    We haven't been able to get WPVI back here in western Lancaster County since they moved back to RF 6 from UHF. Hopefully, they will raise their power high enough for us to get them again.
     
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    Any updates on the OTA adapter?
     

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