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Some Internationals on 121 have been returned to the "Engineering" status.

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by JohnH, Dec 17, 2003.

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  1. Darkman

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    John - it's reported that those other internationals are still there uplinked in the EPG.. just not available to the "mere mortals" i guess
     
  2. JohnH

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    Too bad. the reporters can't tell if the channels show in a "mere mortals" EPG or not. :D

    They sure don't show in my EPG. I know they are there though.
     
  3. Darkman

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    Lol - "You know they are there though" :)

    You should have told me that before - cuz you confused me earlier..

    I think there are 3 statuses maybe - Subscribers system, "gone from EPG of mere mortals, but may STILL be uplinked at the EPG of non mere mortals" and finally "Gone entirely from ... the EPG - would not be in regular "wide-spread" dishnet receivers neither of "mere mortals" nor of "non mere mortals" :D
     
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    I guess there is one more status system then - lol - completely gone from Satellite, not unlinked to anywhere, not even to some "special receivers such as engineers'" :)
    Gone, Bye-Bye status :)
     
  5. James Long

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    It seems to be more of a matrix of stati than three stati.

    The first dimension would be the program stream. The stati there would be (at least):
    0) no program stream for that channel on any satellite
    1) program stream on a satellite transponder, but content incorrect
    2) program stream on a satellite transponder, with correct content
    3) program stream with correct content available for subscription or FTA

    The second dimension would be the EPG. The stati there would be (at least):
    0) channel does not appear in EPG
    1) channel appears in EPG

    I'm not sure where to put "mere mortals" into the equation. There are hundreds of channels in my EPG on the three satellites I recieve (119-110-61.5) that will never show in my on screen display. Only the ones E* believes I am eligible for are shown. What is available to "mere mortals" seems to be a floating target. Perhaps this thought might work:
    0) channel does not appear in EPG
    1) channel appears in EPG, but no customer sees the channel
    2) channel appears in EPG, select customers see the channel
    3) channel appears in EPG, all customers seeing that satellite see channel

    Active LILs and RSNs would fall into #2 on that list, regular nationals and internationals into #3 - new unreleased channels would be #0 or #1 depending on if EPG data has been streamed yet.

    The system is really interesting. I wish I could learn more about it without E* wondering why I want to know more about it. I'm just a logic/numbers nut - not a thief of any kind - but just like marking down the location of the security cameras in your local Wal*Mart will raise questions, asking too much about other company's security sets off alarms.

    JL
     
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    "Mere mortals" is a term I made up meaning "regular subscribers". If a channel is available for subscription, it is "visible to mere mortals". I know I can't see Paducah locals, but people in Paducah can. Those channels are available to mere mortals eventhough I can't see them.

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  7. JohnH

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    0 - Channel has no data in EPG stream.
    1 - Channel has data in EPG stream, but only can be seem by subscribers.
    2- Channel has data in EPG stream and can be seen by all receivers of a particular class (That is HD/HD and Non HD/etc.)

    "Subscribers" in condition (1) can be engineering or customers.
     
  8. James Long

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    Would 2 also include LILs and RSNs geographic based class or just receiver type class?

    I appreciate all the posting you three do on new channels and changes ... sometimes it is a bit confusing, but then there are some things mortals shall not know!

    JL
     
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    Just receiver class.

    LILs and RSNs must be subscribed to in order to be seen in the EPG. (1)


    BTW: Engineering is nothing more than a Customer with a particular tier code.
     
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    hehe - so now that we have new definitions in order..after analizing last few posts, that is what i came up with (after data compulation) :

    1. Has no data in the EPG stream (not at all in the EPG, left the EPG (if previosly was in IT))
    2a. Channel has data in EPG stream, but only can be seen by subscribers/customers with a regular tier code ("mere mortal" subscribers (AKA mere mortals) so to speak))
    2b. Channel has data in EPG stream, but only can be seen by subscribers/engineering/customers with a particular tier code. ("non mere mortal" subscribers (AKA non mere mortals) so to speak))
    3. Channel has data in EPG stream and can be seen by all receivers of a particular class (That is HD/HD, FTA receivers, and Non HD/etc.)

    LOL - so i suggest we should try to define ourselves maybe within those brackets more or less
    And also suggest, to avoid some confusion, to simplify 2a. and 2b. maybe to easier to apprehand (to me anyhow) slangs - such as, just using the already familiar terms - "mere mortals" and "non mere mortals"
    (hehe - i have to admit - i kinda like the sound of those terms... that TNGTony made up)
    :D
     
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    or such expressions:

    a) Left the EPG stream, no longer in the EPG stream

    b) Left the EPG of "mere mortals", to the "Engineering status" (which would mean Data still more likely in the EPG of "non mere mortals")
     
  12. James Long

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    Darkman,
    I like the way JohnH explained it:
    Basically:
    - not in EPG stream - "Not in EPG" or "No longer in EPG"
    - in stream, but not available to any subscribers - "Engineering Status"
    - in stream, and available based on subscription - "Subscriber Status"
    - in stream, seen by certain receivers - "HD Receivers Only" / "Non-HD Only" / "All Receivers" etc.

    At least now we know what he means by "Engineering" and "Subscriber" stati. That's enough for me, although I assume that if it is in the EPG there is a program stream out there somewhere. Whether or not that stream is populated, is vacant, and what content is seen could be a second descriptor - which is up to those with the capabilities to see that to report.

    JL
     
  13. wcswett

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    I guess I should repoint my 121 dish to 123. Sounds like there'll be nothing to watch on 121 for a long time.

    --- WCS
     
  14. JohnH

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    Nah, point it at 127 and see what happens with Horizons 1. :)
     
  15. wcswett

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    I'd take you up on that but there's nothing at 127 I can lock onto with a Ku dish yet (a good thing since it's snowing right now).

    --- WCS
     
  16. JohnH

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    Yeah, don't seem to be much activity at 127 yet, but maybe soon. I check about once a day now. Waiting on the G13 to replace G9 too. :)
     
  17. Darkman

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    WCS - just go to Testar 5... Safe bet that you ll find some channels there :D

    They've recently added several new ones there also :)
     
  18. JohnH

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    Darkman, more english on Galaxy 10R, probably. :D
     
  19. Darkman

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    ya that true..

    However one Russian at T5, though (Ajara TV - georgian with russian stuff on it).. Too bad russian Euronews got scrambled there though :( ... and TVR (russian) went belly up couple of years ago..
    Also one WJ Radio (in Russian), and several Hebrew radios also...
    Lots of arabic and oriental there too... higher quantity of channels however...
    And i like collecting 'em channels :)
     
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