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Some Persons Gold is another persons Coal (Reality TV Sucks)

Discussion in 'The OT' started by jrb531, Dec 7, 2007.

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  1. jrb531

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    Thanks Steve!

    I had thought I was just too old to "appreciate" reality shows :)

    Nice to see that even the younger generation does not all fall for that crap. Now if you could convince the rest of your generation :)

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  2. texaswolf

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    Oh i agree with you there...they canceled Drive, Black Donnelly's, Invasion, and many more, before they had a chance to catch on...a lot of the "reality style" stuff they put on is crap...but people get sucked into it. Myself i like the competition shows...not big on dancing with the stars, but ones like, so you think you can dance and such...those people have skills...and it's a good way to get them out there...American Idol could be good if it wasn't so cheesy, i preferred Rockstar...great bands and great music...but um yeah...kid nation....crap like that....why? I also have noticed that i watch more premium channel shows now, like Entouage, Dexter, Weeds ect....than i do local network stuff...probably because of the lack of good shows.
     
  3. texaswolf

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    I totally understand your frustration with "reality shows", i just didnt think Ghost Hunters belongs in the same category as that other crap.
     
  4. jrb531

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    Maybe I'm being a bit unfair with Ghost Hunters. I watched a few of the first shows where they were doing the same old cliche....

    1. Follow the crew around with a camera
    2. Show in-fighting between members of the crew
    3. Have equipment break down
    4. Have some self-imposed "timer" in which they were on a clock

    and so on

    It was all very scripted to me and formula-like. It's almost like these shows are the new TV version of the computer "tycoon" games.

    Same game-different "theme"

    1. Off-road Ice Truckers
    2. Deadliest Catch
    3. Ghost Hunters

    All three seem to be identical (I'm sure there are more out there) but at least on shows like the Deadliest Catch there is some element of danger because they are actually out there on teh boat. Sure the danger might be played up but I'm not going out on one of those boats.

    Ghost Hunters? Well maybe the shows got better afterthose first few. I'll have to check it out again but if I see the same old formula then I'll pass.

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  5. texaswolf

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    I never caught the first few shows, i got into on season 2...so maybe it was like that when it first started..there really isn't any fighting amongst them now....Deadliest catch, now those dudes are CRAZY! But the cool thing with it is...they are just doing they're job, trying to make a living...not just trying to win a million and go back to normal life....also looks and sounds good on HD and surround.
     
  6. jrb531

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    Leaning over the side of a boat trying to haul in a crate during freezing rain on a boat heaving in the ocean takes some major bowling -lls!

    Reality Show? Technically yes but I don't think they scripted most of what went on. Yes you can tell some of the disputes were played up and the constant reminder about how rushed and out of time was more to add to the show but I do not mind this type of Reality Show.

    I also suspect that this is not the cheapest show to produce either.

    Now Ice Truckers did not impress me as much. Sure they played up being out in the middle of no-where in the cold being potentially dangerous but this is nothing compared to being in the middle of the ocean with freezing rain during a storm.

    I wonder how much those camera crews make? I mean sure they are not pulling in the crates of crabs but they are still out there.

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  7. James Long

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    Ice Road Truckers seemed to rely on automatic cameras more than crews. The "off the ice" special introduced ONE cameraman. It never mentioned a team or the existence of other cameramen.

    The drama is played up ... but what happens is up to "fate" and the participants - not a script or plan. The Survivor type competition shows have drama built into them ... someone thought up what challenge was going to be faced each week. Ice Road just filmed what happened and edited it together in a compelling way.

    Not that sticking a camera in someone's face doesn't CAUSE drama. Giving people a place to vent often leads to them venting! :)
     
  8. Ron Barry

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    Well the one things I will agree on. Yes there is too many reality shows and they are too much of the same but that is what the networks do. Something becomes popular and then they drive it into the ground. Same with Game shows (How many spin offs of "who wants to be a millionaire are there" and "Song games"). Same goes with Law shows and Cop shows. Heck same goes with Movies. How many movies have been made where a guy pretends to be girl pretending to be a guy.

    I am 43.. I am definitely not young and I enjoy some reality shows just as I enjoy other shows. And from the wide popularity of shows like Amazing Race, Survivor, and AI the shows appeal to a wide diverse population. It crosses IQ bounders and age bounders so it has nothing to do with Age or IQ. It has mass appeal period. You can guys can call it crap.. but like the title says (I put that there).. One persons gold is another persons coal. As for calling it crap.. Well I am sure there is a piece of the population that would call shows like BSG, and Star Track crap. I have not seen BSG and I usually enjoy Star Track but like anything it is subjective and personally try to avoid classifying a whole genre of shows crap. Like any genre.. there is the good, not so good, and crap.

    As for Drive, Personally I was not surprised Drive was canceled. Great premise and I was looking forward to it but it lacked story, characters and script was horrible in my opinion. Same goes with a lot of the SciFi shows that came on at the same time. Surface and a few others. Really looked forward to those but after watching them...All I could say was.. Very shallow in content, too dramatic in terms of personal relationships for a SciFi show, and very cookie cutter. Just like a lot of the copy cat Reality shows. So to me it is not just the Reality shows that are doing this.. The other genres are and I wish all areas would step it up a knotch.
     
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    Blasphemy!!:D
     
  10. Ron Barry

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    Like I said.. I have not seen BSG for years but I have enjoyed Star Trek though and I am by no means a Trekkie. ;)

    Guess the main point I want to make.... There is no evidence to tie ones IQ or loss of IQ to particular shows or genre which I am aware of and to try and make that connection I think is just not accurate. Ok to call a show crap in your eyes or a genre crap in your eyes but to follow on with associating with low IQ or as a IQ reduction method is just off base in my opinion unless there is some associated to Reality shows and loss of IQ points that I am not aware of. Is there?
     
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    yeah..i think it has to do with age groups too. A majority of American Idol and So you think you can dances watchers and voters are the teenie bopper age group...where dancing with the stars brings in an older group. I have no idea what group kid nation brings in...lol.

    Oh yeah I forgot about Gene Simmons family jewels....thats a decent one.....all of those "come and knock on door and stay a few months" type shows spawned from Ozzies family show...I guess people just like watching they're favorite celebs .....life.
     
  12. jrb531

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    Except Jerry Springer!

    Watching that show will knock 20 points off your IQ each time you watch it.

    Talk about a Freak Show!

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  13. Ron Barry

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    :lol: You got a point there.. ;)
     
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    I think I have read somewhere that Ghost Hunters is often the highest rated show on Sci-Fi. I apologize if that is incorrect but I'm pretty sure I have read that.

    That is not to say it is good, but just to serve as an explanation as to why they run it! To me, it is one of the better shows on the channel that, although called "Sci-Fi," shows very little science fiction.

    If I had total control of the TVs in my house, theatrical movies are all I would ever see. With movies, you either have big budgets and high production values, or low budgets but with directors pouring their heart and soul into projects. Either is better than any series TV, IMHO.
     
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    I believe Battlestar is the highest rated, and Stargate is next....in season. The reason Ghost Hunters took so long to come back was they were trying to decide whether or not to continue it...im glad they did. I bet they were flooded with emails.
     
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    The ultimate reality show: "Sunrise Earth"

    I don't think it adds to or subtracts from my IQ,
    but it has three things going for it:

    - beautiful, peaceful scenes from nature
    - stunning High Definition
    - no humans to muck it up
     
  17. Doug Brott

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    People are different, so it is no wonder that some people like reality shows and others don't. As it was mentioned here, I'm one who likes reality shows - but not all by any means. I also enjoy many SciFi shows, but couldn't even remotely get into Battle Star Galactica. Star Trek I like .. every single version ..

    There are, unfortunately, though a lot of quality shows that simply get yanked from the network schedule when they are getting good though .. and I'm not talking about reality shows, either.
     
  18. Ron Barry

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    That is true Doug.. THere is more than one that I have seen that happen to. Actually there was a reality show that got hanked during the summer before it finished and that was a first. It was the Mark Bernett one with Pirates. It got weak fast in my eyes.
     
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    "Armed and Famous" died a quick death. They placed celebrities on the Muncie Indiana police department. There was a police brutality lawsuit from one of the residents shown on that show.

    Highlights:
    A welfare check on a man who failed to show for work. The celebrity cops walk in and the camera shows the guy sitting on the couch. He's dead. Apparently just passed away sitting up (no crime). After the point where they say he's dead they didn't show the body but the shot of his body sitting on the couch was part of the show.

    A noise complaint against a neighborhood band that was keeping the neighbors up late into the night. The celebrity walks in, explains the situation, gets a promise that the band will quiet down ... and the JOINS THE BAND and sings another loud song.

    Another celebrity mouths of swearing at a suspect. Local media was there and it became a front page story that had to be delt with.

    Not to mention the rough handling of suspects shown. By the time they pulled the program it seemed to be more of a "Cops Gone Wild" show ... perhaps internal affairs would clear the action of the officers (real officers, not just celebrities) but the public saw a lot of rough and apparently unneeded force.

    In a competition for worst reality show it would have a fair chance of winning.
     
  20. Steve Mehs

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    No, I'd give that to Who's Your Daddy, or whatever that stupid show Fox had at one point. No wait, I'd give that award to Survivor, because besides from obviously being 100% fake, that's the show that started this whole trend and the decline of network TV.
     
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