I dont know if you have noticed but rca/thomson boxes and other makes come with network logos on the guide system. the rca boxes are nice cause you can use fetch and search for a channel by logo. These logos are hard copied at the time of manufacture and some are sadly out of date by the time you buy your unit and set it up. Newer `RE` rca boxes such as the drd 480 RE are up gradeable via satelite as you might know as most boxes made today are in fact upgradeable via sat.i have been complaining to directv executives for 5 years about this matter They sent me a complimentary new rca DRD 485 RG box, note the `RG` wich means advance guide system. While these guides can scroll up to 7 days in advance and scrolling the APG is pleasent,i found i rarely used it and generally scroll the regular 24 hour cell or guide, wich is a nightmare to say the least,expect a 2-5 second delay from the time you hit a key on the remote before the reciever resopnds. I never demanded a free reciever from directv only asked that my guide system be up-graded to reflect the most up-to-date logos. The executives claimed that only Thomson can down load logos and components to the `RE` boxes but Directv can download logos to the newer `RG` boxes. This has yet to happen, we have no logos for discovery wings,fox family,speed,discovery home/lesuire. To verify this, i went into the local Circuit City, where another `RG` box was on line with DTV and sure enough,it was also missing these logos.I am so annoyed with new rca `RG` boxes, i took it out of service and hooked up my `RE` box instead wich has great ,super fast,scrolling.Now,certain stations,but not many,namely SCI-FI,USA,FOX movie have demanded that DTV not show any logo on the guide. But most networks actually want a color logo on your guide but dtv is unable or just too lazy to do it,after i was promised by the Office-of-the-president at directv that the new RG boxes would recieve newly upgraded logos. The point is ,if you complain enough to this company,they might send you a free reciever also,i myself already recieved there free gift and didnt even like it.i just want my logos up-dated !!!new $1000 touch screen remotes are now displaying color TV network logos on a screen(www.remotecentral.com),where a directv user can download logos for their remote,but i would prefer them on my DTV guide system were they really belong.