Spinoff of DIRECTV from AT&T is now completed

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  1. Aug 3, 2021 #61 of 271
    harsh

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    I think we need to stick a fork in the idea of a post-2022 NFLST exclusive offering from DIRECTV at any level. The number of commercial accounts that can't get sufficient bandwidth to do what they need is probably too small to worry about (thus relatively expensive to maintain). There are much bigger players that will negotiate against it once the dam breaks.
     
  2. Aug 3, 2021 #62 of 271
    NashGuy

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    I think you're probably right. If you saw my longer post earlier today on the topic, you'll see that I think it's most likely that a major streaming company, probably Amazon, lands an overall exclusive deal. They've repeatedly shown that they're willing to spend big on video to attract and retain Prime members since that drives much higher retail sales.
     
  3. Aug 3, 2021 #63 of 271
    slice1900

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    Amazon Prime isn't licensed for public viewing AT ALL. They'd have to set up something totally separate for that, PLUS have to set up a whole customer service infrastructure. Commercial accounts expect to be able to call a 1-800 number and connect to a live person immediately who is able to resolve their issue, not mess around with online menus that try to winnow everyone into predetermined categories and when you say "none of the above" throws you back to the beginning to start over again.

    If Amazon signs an exclusive deal, I'd expect the very first thing they'd do is make a deal with Directv for them to continue selling to commercial customers so they don't have to. And if that deal with Directv isn't exclusive they'd next talk to Dish and some of the bigger cable companies to see if they're interested too.
     
  4. Aug 3, 2021 #64 of 271
    krel

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    and if they don't get the sunday ticket for 2023. i am thinking there will be more subscriber loss. since that was the main reason people signed up for it!!! will be interesting to see if they can keep it afloat. i highly think it's going to start going south slowly
     
  5. Aug 3, 2021 #65 of 271
    lparsons21

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    Assuming that happens I suspect there will be some subscriber losses but not nearly as much as I believe you would think. Just too many places to watch too many games.

    But coupled with the fewer and fewer new, original and interesting shows from the various channels, I think the cable/sat market will continue to dwindle away.
     
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    glrush

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    I think that the assumption DirecTV will suffer huge subscriber losses if they lose Sunday Ticket may be overblown, specifically on the residential side. Sunday Ticket has gone down in value year over year with more games on ESPN, Amazon, and Saturday's. I have had Sunday Ticket since 1994, and would miss it but losing it, by itself, would not cause me to cancel.
    What WILL cause me to cancel is continued reliance on archaic hardware that I pay nose bleed fees for, continual price increases, and sub standard customer support.
     
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  7. Aug 3, 2021 #67 of 271
    Davenlr

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    I just read this website and it says DirecTv has a no contract plan as of 2/5/21 now:
    Hidden Costs of DIRECTV | CableTV.com 2021

    I called retention and they said my old 4 digit account was still in their system, and I could reactivate my two HR24s and a H24, but they transferred me to "welcome back" in India and they cut me off half way through the process.

    DOES Directv has a no contract option now? For Satellite (I want Sunday Ticket)

    I am currently waiting on a callback from their Twitter support people. I specifically told them "No Contract" which is why I am not ordering a Genie and 4K minis.

    ????
     
  8. Aug 3, 2021 #68 of 271
    lparsons21

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    That article is full of misinformation because the author is conflating DirecTV satellite and the streaming product.
    There is no non-contract version of DirecTV satellite service that I’m aware of. Also the streaming service does not have NFL or RedZone at all and there has been zero indication they ever will.
     
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  9. Aug 3, 2021 #69 of 271
    Davenlr

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    OK, so my price would be $102/mo for Entertainment package plus $21 for the two DVRs and one receiver (total three boxes) plus whatever Sunday Ticket price is?
     
  10. Aug 3, 2021 #70 of 271
    lparsons21

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    That’s what it looks like to me if D* will let you come back with no contract. In my personal experience they wouldn’t offer that.
     
  11. Aug 3, 2021 #71 of 271
    Davenlr

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    Im not sure. The Retention lady in the US said it was no problem. The foreign people dont have a clue what a satellite is. The local ATT store said they dont deal with satellite. It really amazes me a company would turn down $123 a month plus Sunday Ticket just to force me into a higher package with an RSN fee for an RSN I dont watch, and then give me Sunday Ticket for free, and send me equipment I dont need, and pay an installer to hook it up, just to get me on the hook for two years. Ill see what they say when they call. Retention did say they were now under new rules, but didnt go into detail.
     
  12. Aug 3, 2021 #72 of 271
    mitchflorida

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    There isn't a "no contract" offer for new sign-ups for DirecTV satellite
    You have to order DirecTV Stream for that.
     
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  13. Aug 4, 2021 #73 of 271
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    Thus why people are leaving and not coming back. The model just doesn't work that well anymore. There's too much competition that doesn't require any of it. Even their own streaming platform no longer requires a contract. They are kind of up against it because of the costs involved in installing satellite. How do they recoup that money? That's why I predicted a year (or more) ago, that DirecTV as we know it will fade into the sunset, become just a niche product for those who cannot get broadband and/or not wired for cable. People here laughed at me, but that seems to be where they are headed based on all indications. The product won't die completely (though if the effort by the current administration to bring broadband to rural areas succeed, it just might). Once the few items that are missing start to appear on the streaming service, that will be it for Satellite from DirecTV as the primary product.
     
  14. Aug 4, 2021 #74 of 271
    SamC

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    If its not exclusive, then it does not help you keep/get subscribers. Therefore, the two models are the current one or a simple % of the take basis. And, since the NFL likes the current one, that is what will happen.

    Bidding will come down to Amazon and DirecTV. And, as the many failures of live TV on the internet have shown us, the internet is just not ready for prime time.
     
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    bnwrx

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    from the article..."install a giant satellite dish on their homes"....???? Has this guy ever seen a DTV dish?
     
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  17. Aug 4, 2021 #77 of 271
    Steveknj

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    I love that definitive statement, as if it's 100% that's what will happen. You might be right, but I think it's 50/50 at best.

    What failures are you speaking of. As someone who over the last few months have switched from DirecTV to AT&T TV, I can tell you that it works perfectly well. Like any other platform, including cable and sat, there are things missing and things that can be better, but there is also things that are BETTER than DirecTV, first and foremost picture quality. Have you given streaming a chance for any length of time?

    From DirecTV's standpoint, sure exclusivity may help to keep some customers, then again, they've been bleeding customers regardless. I do think for a certain price, other providers will like to offer ST as an add on. I think that helps THEM get subscribers. The NFL doesn't care how it's done, as long as they get their money. That's the ONLY thing they CARE about. Does it matter to them if it's $3B from one company or $500M from six? Why should it? The ST package is diminished.There are now games on 3 days a week most weeks, sometimes 4 or 5 depending on the week. At this point it serves two purposes, for out of town fans to follow their team and for bars and restaurants. The former doesn't care which provider they can watch from. It shouldn't matter. If ST is paramount, they will get what they need. And the latter? While they have gotten used to having DirecTV, perhaps if it's offered by other providers as well, they can wind up saving money by going with someone else. Competition is good for the consumer normally.

    You just sound like a DirecTV die hard trying to hang on to this dream that DirecTV will always be the best and always have ST. I just don't think it makes sense in today's landscape.
     
  18. Aug 4, 2021 #78 of 271
    b4pjoe

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    I don't know but when the CEO says they are "not interested in any way, shape or form” in extending the current arrangement with the NFL beyond the 2022 season. It seems pretty definitive to me that they really have no interest in the same deal they have had before.

    Being non-exclusive will actually help them keep/get more subscribers from more sources.
     
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    SamC

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    Read any forum or subreddit after any PPV event. Remember Phil Mickelson’s ginned up golf tournament. Crashed the internet. And they are going to put the NFL on? Right.

    Once again, NO ONE is offering $500M for non-exclusive ST. No one is, in fact, offering anything, nor will anyone do so. The NFL can either be paid for exclusive access, or adopt the model the other leagues have, which is a %age of the subscriber fees. Which is less. The NFL is not in the practice of taking less.

    Thus it will again sell exclusive rights. Which only work when you are using it to drive subscriptions to something else. First eliminate “cord cutter” type platforms, whose customers, by definition, have made a choice to do without something to save a few pennies. Exactly the wrong sort of people for a luxury item. So you have to use the package to support subscription to something else.

    Which means Prime. Or DirecTV.

    And make less money. The NFL is about making MORE money, which is why it will sell exclusive rights for MORE than it would make under the other model. As it has been for decades.
     
  20. Aug 4, 2021 #80 of 271
    harsh

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    There's your sign.
     
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