Starlink opens to 'First Come First Served'

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  1. OneMarcilV

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    Yes this would be on a roof. Then have to figure out where the correct satellite is. That is why I have the DISH installers do my installations for me.

    Hard to pass up a great deal like this.


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  2. RichardL

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    As far as I know, these are not geostationary satellites, they are low earth orbit. So you don't point the dish at a specific satellite, it looks up and the satellites pass overhead - I don't think special aiming is required
     
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  3. OneMarcilV

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    Now that makes things simpler. There should be away to connect to the satellite signal from ones home dish ones WIFI device when traveling.

    I still think it would look weird to have ones dish attached to their vehicle driving down the road.


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  4. James Long

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    Precision aiming is not required. "Up" works. I'f be cautous with a mobile mount of any antenna not designed for mobile mounting. Wind loading and aerodynamics could cause problems.
     
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    The "dish" is self aiming. A pair of small motors do the initial alignment and then the flat solid state phased array takes over for the actual satellite communications and seamless transfers from satellite to satellite as they pass overhead. Units suited to mobile use are not yet available.
     
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    If it uses adjacent or harmonics of DISH frequencies, how could it not interfere?
     
  7. OneMarcilV

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    That will be great. Should be the same when installing a DISH network satellite dish.


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    There are self-aiming dishes for Dish. Lots of RV'ers and OTR truckers use them. Some only tune one satellite at a time and only work with single tuner receivers like the Wally and VIP 211's. There's also a couple of self-aiming multiple satellite dishes designed for RV roof mounting, but at ~$3-400 or so for the single sat dishes and ~$2,000 or so for the multi-satellite dishes, they're not practical for one time stationary installations. For stationary dish installations, aiming is typically the easiest part of the job. Mounting and wire routing are usually the harder parts. I set up my portable tripod mounted multi-satellite dish as often as daily, and the actual aiming part usually takes less than 5 minutes using a good signal meter.
     
  9. James Long

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    SpaceX requested 10.7-12.7 GHz (among other bands). DISH 118 is 11.7-12.2 and all the DBS satellites are 12.2-12.7. No problem there. :)
     
  10. 1948GG

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    I started out my engineering life in microwave (line of sight, troposcatter, and eventually satellite) and in looking over the fcc extracts on starlinks use of these ku/Dbs frequencies (which I might add Dish was told over 10 years ago to seriously think about vacating that band, which DirecTV did btw), the modulation scheme and power levels are such that the possibility of any interference from starlink to the dbs operator is extremely low. This was one of the things that was tested with the first two leo sats, tintin A and B. The power output of the geo Dbs sats are, by comparison to the starlink sats, huge. There's where any interference is a possibility, but it appears the reciever design of the starlink reciever is such to pretty much rule it out.
     
  11. OneMarcilV

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    I am surprised the hardware is free. I guess that way that gets more peeps to sign up.


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  12. James Long

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    Starlink hardware will not be free. As previously posted "The hardware required to use Starlink will cost $499, while internet service costs $99 a month."
     
  13. OneMarcilV

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    In the photograph I have in this forum. My cost will be 99.00. The price of the hardware is 499.

    But my total comes to 99.00.


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  14. James Long

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    Are you suggesting that DISH needs to leave the DBS band (12.2-12.7 GHz) that nearly all of their satellites operate on? DISH has mostly left the BSS band (11.7-12.2 GHz) - currently used by the satellite at 118.

    The FCC is allowing three services to use the DBS band. The oldest (and still licensed with no sunset date) is DBS. There is also a ground based broadcast system where the signal was to be focused southward with northward facing antennas - the concept being that DBS dishes face (generally) south and would not receive interference from transmitters to the north (apparently not understanding how signals reflect off of objects?). Starlink is the third service.

    If I understand correctly they plan on using the DBS band (and adjacent lower frequencies) for ground to space communications. Signals pointed up, not from the south or north. If Starlink isn't using Ku for space to ground I would not expect a lot of interference. But I don't fault DISH for protecting their LICENSED use of frequencies. DIRECTV continues to use the DBS band as well (101 being a primary satellite).
     
  15. James Long

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    "Due Today" is $99. The remainder will be due when the hardware is available and ships. Starlink is charging people a deposit when they sign up for service.
     
  16. 1948GG

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    DirecTV moved all the sd signals over to ka years ago; at 99.2 and 103. Exactly why they (directv) wasted money building and launching T16 is one of the biggest head scratchers of recent years, since there is more than ample national and spot beam ka bandwidth in the two orbital slots to either side of 101. But all this happened right at the point at which at&t was about to drop the $48.5B, so go figure. They had stopped accepting sd installs about two years ago, and the number of local channels on T16 or T9s spot beams was, at last count, down to <20. Again, the money spent makes no sense as they were installing ka equipment exclusively, but who knows what the thinking was at corporate. Maybe it was simply to get reverse band assets into orbit..? Just how many sd customers on very old equipment were (or are) out there, now or a handful of years ago...?

    I think a lot of this shows the lack of forward thinking at directv going back a decade, and just how addle-brained at&t was to drop that kind of cash where such decisions were being made. Latest reports have them selling a chunk at fire sale prices. Seems like the wall street types are pointing at streaming as the culprit as to the devaluation, but I see a lot of directv bad decisions in the last few years as the beginning of the rot. The almost wholesale move to ka was the brilliant decision in the 2000's, one that dish was unable to replicate after dropping their cash buying up cellular frequencies.
     
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    That is why I couldn't figure out why it was thought to be such a great deal. :D
     
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    What’s the speed of this $99 a month internet service?
     
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