Starlink opens to 'First Come First Served'

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  1. OneMarcilV

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    Now that makes more sense. Much appreciated.


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  2. OneMarcilV

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    Just rest this. Exactly what I want. Maybe. I write maybe because I used to have XM satellite radio. Every tine I drove is locations that had a many trees the signal was lost.

    ‘’SpaceX wants to connect its Starlink satellite internet network to moving vehicles
    PUBLISHED MON, MAR 8 202112:06 PM EST
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    SpaceX wants to begin connecting moving vehicles – from cars and trucks to jets and ships – to its Starlink satellite internet network.
    Starlink is the company’s capital-intensive project to build an interconnected internet network with thousands of satellites, designed to deliver high-speed internet to consumers anywhere on the planet.
    “This application takes the next step by seeking authority for ESIMs that will enable the extension of that network from homes and offices to vehicles, vessels, and aircraft,” SpaceX director of satellite policy David Goldman wrote in a letter to the FCC.


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  3. 1948GG

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    I've had Sirius sat radio from a month after they went live in 2002, and they used to have sats in tundra orbit up until they merged with xm and the reception was very superior since the sats were virtually straight overhead +- 30 deg or so (and moving of course) vr xm sats which were geosats like sat tv.

    But as the next generation of radio geo sats were launched in the 2013+ or so the power was improved so much that the tundra sats were abandoned and all subscribers were moved over to the east/west geos where they are today.

    The latest gen of sxm sats, the first one was launched by spacex a month ago for the east US and immediately ran into problems; they haven't released much info so far, the west sat is still on the ground not finished build, but will be SpaceX launched around end of summer, unless they figure out what's wrong with the east sat, build or design problems they need to change.

    The reception since they moved off the tundra sats has been pretty good, but the auto radios have improved as well since the early days.
    Add: I currently have fair reception IN my single story garage. That's how strong the rf is currently.

    I' m on my third 'integrated' set in my 2017 Lincoln and it takes a pretty large overhead trees/structure for several seconds to cause a dropout; these new sats being launched jump the eirp up a fair amount vr the sats from 10+ years ago, it'll be interesting to see any improvement (signal be solid in my garage?) once the west sat gets up and turned on.

    But when they start turning on starlink ability to track the sats while moving, either car/motorhome, boat, airplane, you name it, that will be interesting. It's possible that advanced phased array antennas will be nessesary esp for high speed vehicles like aircraft. Boats/ships should be the easiest as they are much slower and have usually extreme views to the sky like aircraft.

    I used to drag a sat tv rig around the country from when directv went live, and the biggest problem was getting set up without trees in the way, and I'll suspect that with starlink that will be even harder, esp in the early days with small sat count, as one will need more than just a small angle shooting a stationary bird instead of multiple fast moving sats. It will be interesting.
     
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  4. OneMarcilV

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    Well my plan will be to use the SIM card plan on all my devices.

    Just install the SIM card in my unlocked JetPack.

    Won’t need the dish installed

    I am glad that STARLINK is offering this option.


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    Starlink does not use removable SIM cards the way cell services do if they use them at all. Without the Starlink user terminal/flat faced dish, the service will not work...
     
  6. OneMarcilV

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    Hopefully soon.

    This application takes the next step by seeking authority for ESIMs that will enable the extension of that network from homes and offices to vehicles, vessels, and aircraft,” SpaceX director of satellite policy David Goldman wrote in a letter to the FCC.


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    Ok, I see your basic misunderstanding now... The "ESIM" authorizations mention by Goldman are "Earth Station In Motion" authorizations, not the "SIMs" or "ESIMs" used in cell phone communications.
     
  8. OneMarcilV

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    So using this in vehicles would not be a good option?


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    Starlink is developing mobile transceivers and antennas designed for large truck, bus, ship, and RV use. They've said the antennas will be too large for car use though. The phased array antennas Starlink uses are electronically aimed, so no physical movement is required. The only physical movement the current residential antennas make is just for initial alignment.
     
  10. OneMarcilV

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    In the initial news about this regular automobiles were also mentioned.

    ‘’SpaceX wants to begin connecting moving vehicles – from cars and trucks to jets and ships – to its Starlink satellite internet network.’’


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  11. James Long

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    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/elon-musk-connecting-rvs-and-trucks-through-starlink-satellites.html
    * SpaceX is working on an antenna that will connect vehicles like semi-trucks and RVs to its satellite internet network, CEO Elon Musk said in a tweet on Monday.
    * Musk clarified that the antenna will not be for “connecting Tesla cars to Starlink,” saying that the user “terminal is much too big.”
    * “This is for aircraft, ships, large trucks & RVs,” Musk said.

    The earlier article that included the line you quoted:
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/spa...nk-satellite-internet-to-moving-vehicles.html
    The increasing demand for data from the automotive sector is one area that Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas has highlighted as a target market for Starlink. During a Tesla investor conference call last year, Jonas asked Musk whether the CEO was considering adding Starlink terminals to Tesla vehicles. While Musk said there were “no plans for it” in 2020, he acknowledged that “it’s certainly something that could be happening in the coming years.”

    Musk, in a tweet on Monday, clarified that SpaceX is “not connecting Tesla cars to Starlink” with the ESIM terminals, noting that the “terminal is much too big.”

    “This is for aircraft, ships, large trucks & RVs,” Musk said.


    It looks like the media misunderstood and Musk has corrected that misunderstanding.


    Consider it fully clarified ... the vehicles SpaceX intends to serve (if they get FCC permission) will not be automobiles.
     
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  12. OneMarcilV

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    This was also 8n the article.

    ‘’Michael Sheetz
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    SpaceX wants to begin connecting moving vehicles – from cars and trucks to jets and ships – to its Starlink satellite internet network.’’

    I don’t worry about this Tesla idea not being included.


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  13. OneMarcilV

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    Cars are automobiles.


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  14. James Long

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    The error has been corrected. Please do not continue to repeat incorrect information.

    “This is for aircraft, ships, large trucks & RVs,” Musk said.
     
  15. OneMarcilV

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    K. Makes sence. Some news sources are not reliable. Appreciate the help.


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    I don't doubt that cars could be included at some future date, but that's not what the current application is for, as Musk's direct quotes have made quite clear...
     
  17. harsh

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    I think it should also be noted that in comparisons with satellite radio, satellite radio uses a lot of buffering to try to address drop-outs. This isn't practical with two-way Internet conversations.
     
  18. OneMarcilV

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    See that wasn’t a quote. So are are right.


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  19. James Long

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    Is the dead horse not beaten enough?
     
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    Actually, the 3-5 seconds of adaptive buffering on siriusxm is enough to keep things running for the occasional tree and overpasses; there are extensive overhead city parks, convention centers, hotels and the like in cities but terrestrial repeaters seem to take care of those monstrosities.

    But that system is one way only. If you watch the transmission of any of the internet video streaming services, you'll note that the 'terminal' (your roku or user device) is buffering ahead upwards of 15-30 seconds. And since the transmission path is inherently 2 way, the service transmission is constantly 'talking' to the customer terminal, making sure the connection is 'live' and trying to correct any transmitted blocks that the user terminal sees as mangled, or any changes the end user has made in that time the transmission is either trying to catch up or any other wackiness going on.

    There's a tremendous amount of 'jumping through hoops' going on with these internet transmissions, live or recorded playback. 30+ years worth of folks burning brain cells, including a lot of reengineering of ip transmission protocols to make high bandwidth video as solid as it is today. So there's a lot of things going on, from forward and backward error correction, audio/video synchronization, every day I watch this, its amazing it works so well, looking back to the very early days circa late 80's. But the linch pin to much of it is 2way transmission and the ability to correct on the fly, using only a few milliseconds to do so. Even the extreme lag with hughesnet and the like (which was what I was dealing with in the late 80s) works pretty well.
     
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