States cracking down on Left Lane Slowpokes

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  1. The Merg

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    It's basically a catch-all code section. You could be written a ticket for that code section for speeding, if the officer wants to. As for it being lawfully erected, any signs erected by VDOT are authorized by the Commissioner of VDOT, thus making them lawful.


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  2. oldengineer

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    I think the traffic code has to be simplified (or the driver pool culled) and in PA here are 2 examples:
    1. Right turns on red are permitted unless No Turn On Red signs are posted. Some lights have a green arrow for right turns without stopping if the crossing street has it's left turn signal active. These lights have a Right Turn OK sign on them by the green arrow. I can't count the number of idiots I encounter who will not make the stop-look-proceed right turn when that green arrow is not lit.
    2. Double yellow lines on 2 lane roads. Ask anyone what they mean and they will probably say no passing. Not true in PA. It's only illegal to pass in a double yellow zone if there are No Passing signs posted. It's a bit confusing.
     
  3. trh

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    So what is a double yellow line mean in PA without the signs? Nothing?
     
  4. Rich

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    In NJ it means, "Thou shalt not pass". We don't need or have signs for that. Having a lot of family in western PA, I can tell you this: Driving in NJ scares the devil out of them. When my MIL and her boyfriend moved out here they didn't know what an acceleration lane was and were afraid to enter the interstate highway that is very near my home.

    That PA law makes no sense to me.

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  5. The Merg

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    2. I'm not so sure about that. A double-yellow line is the standard for no passing. I believe the No Passing signs you are referring to are those that appear at the end of a stretch of a solid yellow line next to a dashed yellow line. Those are there to make sure you see that the passing area is over and that you are now back in a no passing area.

    1. And yes, I can't stand those people either! Just last night at 1am, I was behind a car at a red light in a shopping center and there was no cross traffic, yet they sat at the red light until it changed to green. And that was a long light...

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  6. oldengineer

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    I'm not sure what the double yellow and single yellow mean in PA either, but the ability to pass unless posted as Do Not Pass was discussed in our paper the other day and Wikipedia lists PA as 1 of 2 states, VT being the other, where the double yellow does not prohibit passing, and would Wikipedia lie? :grin:
     
  7. The Merg

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    I will clarify that the double-yellow line does not necessarily mean "no passing". It means you cannot cross the double-yellow line. On most two lane roads that basically means you cannot pass a vehicle as you would need to cross the double-yellow to do so. However, if the lane is wide enough for two vehicles moving in the same direction, you can pass that vehicle on the left as long as you do so safely and without crossing over the double-yellow.

    That being said, on two lane roads with no double-yellow, you can pass vehicles as long as you do so safely and return to the right side of the road as soon as you pass the vehicle. Obviously, in this case, you have to make sure the left side of the road is clear of on-coming traffic.

    ▼ Title 46.2 - Motor Vehicles
    ▿ Chapter 8 - Regulation Of Traffic

    § 46.2-838 - Passing When Overtaking A Vehicle.
    The driver of any vehicle overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction shall pass at least two feet to the left of the overtaken vehicle and shall not again drive to the right side of the highway until safely clear of such overtaken vehicle, except as otherwise provided in this article.
    Code 1950, § 46-224; 1958, c. 541, § 46.1-208; 1989, c. 727; 1999, c. 999; 2004, cc. 947, 973.

    ▼ Title 46.2 - Motor Vehicles
    ▿ Chapter 8 - Regulation Of Traffic

    § 46.2-804 - Special Regulations Applicable On Highways Laned For Traffic.
    Whenever any roadway has been divided into clearly marked lanes for traffic, drivers of vehicles shall obey the following:Any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions existing, shall be driven in the lane nearest the right edge or right curb of the highway when such lane is available for travel except when overtaking and passing another vehicle or in preparation for a left turn or where right lanes are reserved for slow-moving traffic as permitted in this section;A vehicle shall be driven as nearly as is practicable entirely within a single lane and shall not be moved from that lane until the driver has ascertained that such movement can be made safely;Except as otherwise provided in subdivision 5 of this section, on a highway which is divided into three lanes, no vehicle shall be driven in the center lane except when overtaking and passing another vehicle or in preparation for a left turn or unless such center lane is at the time allocated exclusively to traffic moving in the direction the vehicle is proceeding and is signed or marked to give notice of such allocation. Traffic-control devices may be erected directing specified traffic to use a designated lane or designating those lanes to be used by traffic moving in a particular direction regardless of the center of the roadway and drivers of vehicles shall obey the directions of every such device;The Commonwealth Transportation Board, or local authorities in their respective jurisdictions, may designate right lanes for slow-moving vehicles and the Virginia Department of Transportation shall post signs requiring trucks and combination vehicles to keep to the right on Interstate Highway System components with no more than two travel lanes in each direction where terrain is likely to slow the speed of such vehicles climbing hills and inclines to a speed that is less than the posted speed limit;

    Wherever a highway is marked with double traffic lines consisting of a solid line immediately adjacent to a broken line, no vehicle shall be driven to the left of such line if the solid line is on the right of the broken line, but it shall be lawful to make a left turn for the purpose of entering or leaving a public, private, or commercial road or entrance. Where the middle lane of a highway is marked on both sides with a solid line immediately adjacent to a broken line, such middle lane shall be considered a left-turn or holding lane and it shall be lawful to drive to the left of such line if the solid line is on the right of the broken line for the purpose of turning left into any road or entrance, provided that the vehicle may not travel in such lane further than 150 feet;Wherever a highway is marked with double traffic lines consisting of two immediately adjacent solid lines, no vehicle shall be driven to the left of such lines, except when turning left.
    Code 1950, § 46-222; 1952, c. 671; 1958, c. 541, § 46.1-206; 1962, c. 87; 1979, c. 25; 1985, c. 481; 1989, c. 727; 2007, c. 501.

    Check out the last paragraph where it discusses highway lane markings.


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  8. oldengineer

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    OK Merg, we're talking apples and oranges here 'cause I was talking about PA law. However you prompted me to do a little research and the PA vehicle code doesn't have anything specific about double yellow lines but the Driver's Handbook, page 22, shows a double yellow line and specifically states thay you can't pass there, even if there are no No Passing signs. Looks like a great opportunity for lawyers here.
     
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    PA is a wonderful place. You would not believe the things I've seen in western PA in the Pittsburgh suburbs. Blatantly segregated schools, lines at the concession stands at high school football games that are for white and people of color and are marked as such. I went to one football game out there a few years ago and was shocked at the openness of the segregation. I thought, hoped, we were thru with all that. And you can cross a double line...it just gets better and better. Do that in Jersey and they swoop down on you immediately. If a cop doesn't catch it we have numbers to call and report infraction such as that. I hate to rat anyone out, but that's just plain stupid and dangerous.

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  11. Rich

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    Just read thru that link. PA is a wonder!

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  12. oldengineer

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  13. The Merg

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    This post on the blog seems to explain things fairly well:


    So, as mentioned, it does seem that there is no definition for a double-yellow line and if that constitutes whether that would be an appropriate marking to prevent passing on the left. PA is a different world...

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  14. Rich

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    That was really interesting. And really contradicted what that blog link had in it. Thanx.

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  15. Rich

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    So, we left MD yesterday in the late afternoon. I was determined to stay out of the left lanes just to see what I would experience. What I got for my troubles was a real PITA. People driving 40 MPH in the right lane, not on phones, just kinda loping along. Then, reality set in when I hit the Jersey Turnpike. First thing I see is a sign that says something like, "Watch the speeding, we are very strict and use radar". Big paraphrase, but that's what it meant. Must not scare anyone, we had to go between 70 and 75 to keep from getting run over. Never saw a cop. Did see a Hyundai coming south pull a u-turn at one of the breaks in the barrier that are reserved for police and maintenance crews. First time I've seen that. He then proceeded to speed around slower drivers. Must have been drunk. Still no cops, tho. The traffic was flowing well and when that happens the Turnpike cruisers lay low.

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  16. James Long

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    BTW: I miss the "Pass With Care" signs that used to be posted at the end of no passing zones. Being in a state that gets snow, one cannot always see the double yellow or yellow on my side of the road road markings. The NO PASSING ZONE and PASS WITH CARE signs were a nice notice.

    Now we have the triangle signs on the opposite side of the road (not the white sign on the right) at the beginning of a no passing zone and the post that should have the pass with care sign has a single white reflective dot at the top. I suppose not maintaining two out of three signs is a cost savings ... but they are still maintaining the sign post with a dot.
     
  17. oldengineer

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    Back in the 50s US 309 in my area was 3 lanes - the middle lane was used for passing by both sides. There were no restrictions on which direction could pass in most areas; both directions had broken white lines simultaneously. Some drivers flashed their brights as they entered the passing lane to warn oncoming drivers but it was strictly a pass at your own risk deal. I can't imagine a situation like that today.
     
  18. Herdfan

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    The "AA" Highway in KY has middle lane passing zones, but the are specified for which lane they are for. Really a nice setup as there are enough of them so you don't get caught behind a slowpoke for very long.
     
  19. Rich

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    I thought we got rid of all of them in NJ, but now I see middle lanes for making turns popping up all over the place. I was behind some nitwit doing about 20 in a 45 zone the other day and we rode past one of those middle lanes and I almost used it to pass him. I didn't because I knew what a hassle I'd be in for if a cop was around and it seems there's always a cop around when you do something like that.

    We also tried to get rid of the circles in the state and did a pretty fair job of it. Now I see them popping up again. We never learn from history, it seems.

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  20. billsharpe

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    Traffic circles work fine as long as traffic isn't too heavy. The Jersey turn right to go left ramps are the ones that surprise me.

    I grew up in Pennsylvania but made many trips to the Jersey shore. We later moved to Connecticut and made even more trips through Jersey to visit family.
     

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