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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by wilbur_the_goose, Feb 1, 2009.
So is this good or bad?, maybe we need a poll
No poll needed, this is 100% good news! Getting the Isles (and Devils and Sabres) upt from under that juvenile #^@%!$$'s thumb can only be good. Besides, the new MSG network will be run for the betterment of the network, not to fulfill the vendettas of the Dolans!
I'd like anything that would lead to:
1. Getting MSG HD and MSG+ HD back on NHL CI (full time), AND
2. Turning the Rangers back into a winning team (think 1994).
I guess I really don't care who owns the team, but I need the 2 conditions above met.
Maybe D* should buy it, that would give them an edge in NY with other cable CO's.
my concerns as well, and for further insight into some of my earlier comments on this issue and the league's problems, look at what is happening now in Phoenix with an attempt to buy the team and move them to Ontario (Canada, not California) and Bettman trying to gather support to prevent it. This is the greatest sport ever and the idiots who run it will succeed in killing it
The NHL is trying to protect the Southern Ontario market which currently is Sabres territory (largely). About 20 percent of the Sabres ticket sales come from that area. Why are the protecting the Sabres? TV ratings. The Buffalo market is the best TV market in the US for hockey - consistently Versus has the highest rating in Buffalo of all the non-playoff markets. During the Stanley Cup finals Buffalo is number 3 in the nation behind the two participating markets. There's a reason why there's as many Sabres games on national TV as there are for big markets like New York and Philly - the viewship is as high or higher. The fear is that if a team moved into Southern Ontario it would destabilize the Sabres and that would be bad for the NHL's already shaky TV contracts.
So why would a team in Hamilton affect VS ratings ? Wouldn't those viewers still watch games on VS? BUF would still have their team, it's not like the Sabres are moving and BUF viewers would stop watching all NHL games.
I agree that a team located in Hamilton would hurt / kill BUF ticket sales from that area .
I remember the Coyotes in the playoffs and a wild crowd all in white a few years back. Have a winning team, and you will have a good turn out. Arena deals may kill teams anyway (like my beloved Isles), but that can happen in any sport. The point here is that when expansion teams move into areas, youth leagues start (I started playing at 5 when the Isles came to town). Where youth leagues start, the sport expands, and the talent pool expands, and the permanent customer base expands. Hate it all you want, but we are seeing players come from places we never saw before. You don't have to be born in Saskatoon to make it to the NHL anymore. The program is working, but we need patience.
I work with a youth lacrosse league here in Nevada. It started slowly, but it has grown fantastically over the past five years. We just put our first player at a DIV I school with a scholarship (Maryland). It happens, but you have to be patient. Overall, it is much better for lacrosse if players come from Nevada as well as NY, Massachusetts, Maryland, and Pennsylvania. Likewise, it is better for hockey if we have players coming from Dallas, Miami, Nashville, etc. Just hang in there and we will all benefit.
I was afraid I hadn't made that point well. The fear is that with the decline in ticket sales the Sabres might not survive in Buffalo and that would be bad foe the league.
For what it's worth I don't fully agree. I'm a life long Sabres fan and don't want to see a team in Southern Ontario but that's a "Not in my backyard attitude". Some have wondered about a second franchise in Toronto itself. Frankly I'll be surprised if they stay long term in Phoenix though
Back to the point - anything that breaks up the Dolan empire would be good for all involved.
I would very much like to see MSG network and/or the Rangers sold if it means getting HD back on Center Ice.
As to the Coyotes in Hamilton, I'm unconvinced that further saturating that market is good for the NHL. If they want to move a team to Canada, then go back to Winnipeg with their new arena and likely a fan base that will now support the team (if it becomes a winner), and the team can prosper with the right arena deal. And forget about Kansas City and Las Vegas.
I hope you are not implying that the Winnipeg fans did not support the Jets. As I understand it (certainly not through much research) the problem was market size and inability to raise enough corporate/public sector support. Had the revenue sharing and salary cap measures that are now in place been in effect back in the mid-90's the Jets most likely would never have left. That building was regularly full.
I, too, would rather see a team go to Winnipeg than another team in Ontario. I think that southern Ontario is already saturated with Red Wings, Maple Leafs, Sens, Sabres, and Habs fans.
well now that Gaborik (I was at the game where he scored five against the Rangers), is coming to NY wouldn't it be nice for those of us in the hinterlands to be able to see him in HD every night???
Still can't believe you guys gave him 7.5 million/year. Have they learned nothing about handing out bad contracts?!
So - will MSG HD return?
Is that question rhetorical???
Why on earth did the Rangers sign Brashear? I don't like that free agent signing.
But I do want my MSG HD Rangers games.
Well, my brother and I agree, Brashear was an insult, extra thuggish and an affront to Blair Betts, who is not coming back, but did an outstanding job on the PK, even though he was far from a goal scorer, very far....
This move reminds me of the Pavel Bure signing. A guy who killed the Rangers, a prolific scorer on the wing and was injury prone yet they threw a ton of money at him in hopes of having success in the Garden. Hopefully he doesn't end up like that.
Sad to see Antropov go but it was inevitable.
Hopefully the NHL works this deal with Dolan and the channel before September.