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Stern off Clear Channel, "decency" stuff

Discussion in 'The OT' started by MikeSoltis, Feb 26, 2004.

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  1. Richard King

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    Viacom owns Infinity. Stern is employed by Infinity, so I suspect he is very safe in any city that carrys him on an Infinity station. Stern fits right in with the rest of Viacom programming.
     
  2. Bogy

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    The current administration is not conservative, it is neo-con or Traditionalist.
    My 2 cents is, if I have the right to turn my radio to another channel, or even off, how come the owners of a radio station don't have the right to decide what they are going to broadcast? Certainly, they are being pressured, but do they have to continue to broadcast garbage even if they want to stop? For whatever reason.
     
  3. Un-nick

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    Then you agree with clear channels decision to stop broadcasting Stern?
     
  4. Bogy

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    My personal view is that I wish he were being kicked off more than just 6 stations. I don't mind a free and open discussion of ideas, but he's just disgusting as far as I am concerned. Lots of people get fired every day for lots of reasons. Why should shock jocks be immune?
     
  5. freakmonkey

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    Clear Channel removed stern and fired Bubba The Love Sponge because CC execs are testifying before congress about indecency. It helps that CC can appear and say they have taken action by firing Bubba and pulling Stern (CC and Bubba was fined over 700K not to long ago). XM is going to be the wave of the future for shock jocks. Bubba before he got fired was already on XM and in talks to carry the show UNCENSORED on some adult channel they have. I love the shock jock shows it put a big smile on my face and provided small talk at work.

    Rush was was pointing out that Howard Stern is not being censored by CC as CNN was reporting. CC can pick and choose what ever they want to broadcast and considering todays environment and the fact that Stern was only on six cc stations it was a saving grace.

    The politicians in DC should take alook at the ratings of these shock jocks. People are listening in droves. If it was so offensive then people would not listen. If people would not listen then there would be no ratings. No ratings no show. The next guy comes along and life goes on. Bubba was fired because CC was in danger of losing licenses to the stationed fined and financially it was cheaper to fire Bubba than to fight. This is an election year and GW has lost a lot of ground he has caved on issues that alienated his base and the decency thing is pay back for campaign finance reform the perscrption drug program and the immigration changes.
     
  6. Steve Mehs

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    But how many get fired for just doing their job. Stern was just doing his job, he's a radio personality that many follow, I listen occasionally, but I'm not an avid fan. I’d listen to local shock jocks then nationally syndicated. But this situation has effected the show I listen to. When the morning show I listen to begins at 6 and ends at 10, they always play a humorous songs, something by Stephen Lynch, various parodies, South Park songs and the like. Because of this obscenity crap their library that can now be played has been cut in half.

    So far from what I can tell by listening to The Nerve, Clear Channel changed nothing else besides removing Stern. Music is still the same, all station IDs (some of which maybe be offensive to some) are still the same, my 2 favorite IDs, are still airing, not the most obscene of the bunch, but the two I like:

    95.1 The Nerve, Rochester's Rock Station
    The station that watched every second of the Paris Hilton video frame x frame

    The station that watched the Super Bowl Halftime show 100 times and counting

    I bring this up because when I went to pay for my gas this morning I left my car running and windows open and the SuperBowl halftime show ID came on in between songs as I was getting in and I got a dirty look from some lady walking in the mini mart. It was a classic.

    Most shock jocks are on alternative and rock stations, which is prime demographic. I haven’t done much research, but I can’t imagine there are too many shock jocks on FM country or jazz stations, if you don’t normally listen to something and you hear a shock jock show what right does one have to complain and ruin it for those that do enjoy it.
     
  7. Richard King

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    Cut it out!! I agree, again, and wish he, and others trying to copy him, were removed from all stations. It's just garbage aimed at the lowest common denominator. If it were not available to anyone just tuning in, including kids, I might not object as much. This is much the same objection that I have with CRAP like MTV. It should not only be able to be blocked, but should be able to be eliminated from a person's home and their bill if they desire, so that payment for this garbage doesn't go back to the main perpetrator, in both these cases that would be Viacom.

    No offense meant Steve, but this is a prime example of why they should be eliminated. Some of their listeners are just as irresponsible as the jocks. Polluting the airwaves is bad enough, but when people play the crap loud enough to disturb others it's more than rude. I guess I'm turning into an old foggy, but that's ok if I don't turn into a Bogy. :D
     
  8. freakmonkey

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    Well it looks like satellite and cable will soon be in the cross hairs.

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/new_media/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000445797

    6th paragraph from bottom of article.

    Lawmakers also expressed a desire to go after cable and satellite TV companies for indecency and to make it tougher on repeat offenders. Network executives applauded the former but decried the latter.

    "Current rules that apply to broadcasters are very different than those that apply to cable and satellite providers," ABC Television Network president Alex Wallau said. "We don't believe that distinction makes much sense in today's world, where the combined audience for cable and satellite channels exceeds the combined audience for the broadcast channels."
     
  9. Richard King

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    I agree with the thought expressed in another thread where people could opt out of channels and not pay for them if they didn't want them. This would make a real mess for the providers, and probably cause a reduction in the value of my Dish and Hughes stock, but in the long run I think this would be best for the public. If people feel certain programming is offensive they shouldn't have to be forced to feed the pockets of those who are offending them by paying for their channels on their cable/satellite bill every month. Who knows, maybe some of the most offensive channels might even go away if enough shut them off.
     
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    I wasn’t even playing it loud, I had my radio on 3.5-4 bars, if you want loud, be next to be at a red light in the summer when I have all five windows open with my German music playing :D

    I don't quite see how this is aimed at the lowest common denominator or how people who listen to it are deemed unintelligent. I like perverted humor, I can't help it, that's just what I find funny. I find nothing on TV Land funny, I find most of it corny along with all the sitcoms of today, but that's just me. The most listened to morning show in this area is on the Top40 station, I think those two on there are the biggest morons in radio, I bought a $70 portable CD player with a digital tuner just so I didn’t have to listen to those morons yammer on about the latest trends and gossip.
     
  11. Stosh

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    Hmmm...sounds like you contradicted yourself there....

    I'm not a fan either. But here's my solution - I DON'T LISTEN TO HIM! Changing the channel works pretty well for me!
     
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    My opinion exactly.. Stern is childish and pathetic. Oh, I "get" the humor, I just don't like it.

    By the same token, I would *never* want him banned from the airwaves.

    You start with the easy targets - that's the camel's nose in the tent.
     
  13. Bogy

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    I may have to change my sig. :lol:
     
  14. Bogy

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    Who do you listen to? I get to listen to a lot of Rammstein courtesy of my son. :)
     
  15. Bogy

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    Originally Posted by Bogy
    My personal view is that I wish he were being kicked off more than just 6 stations. I don't mind a free and open discussion of ideas,
    Please note, I began my by saying it was my "personal view". However, a "free and open discussion of ideas" is not the same as spewing garbage. Slander, libel, derogatory and degrading comments and actions don't fall into the category of a "free and open discussion of ideas", any more than genocide is "renovating the neighborhood". I can turn off garbage I don't want to hear, but why should I want my neighbor to listen to garbage before I have to deal with him, or his kids?
     
  16. MikeSoltis

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    Seems like we have come a long way from "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

    Which I think was and still is the underlying idea (thread?) of this thread...
     
  17. Bogy

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    The problem with your statement is that there are limits on what you can say. toenail can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it has been very well established that speech over the public airwaves has to conform to certain standards of decency. The public airwaves belong to the citizens of this country. We rent them out. The renters have to abide to certain stipulations in order for their lease to remain in effect. I don't know if you have ever rented anything, but there are always stipulations as to how the property will be used, and the condition to which they will be maintained. The stipulations are in regard to the standards to which the lease/license holders will use the property, the airwaves. The stipulations regard meeting community standards of decency. Not the lowest possible standards or even the lowest common denominator, but community standards. If you can't communicate in a decent way, then keep your mouth shut until you figure it out. I will defend to the death your right to communicate, but please do it in a decent way.
     
  18. toenail

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    It's not my area of expertise, but I think you've stated it quite well Bogy. There's only a limited amount of "airspace" available. Without licensing, stations would be on top of each other's signals, and it would be difficult to listen to anything. So, we license. With that comes restrictions. Just like in any other business. The restrictions don't seem to be unreasonable to me. Maybe they are to some. As to the famous quote, sorry, but I won't be willing to sacrifice my life to enable Howard Stern to comment on the size of a person's genitalia, or to list the various people he's had oral sex with this week. Feel free to disagree. The FCC isn't controlling us. :D
     
  19. freakmonkey

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    I do disagree they are telling a majority that you can not listen to what you want. I say majority because of the high ratings these shock jocks get. It is not easy to get rated number one with out a majority of people listening. We want filth and we want it OTA and disguised as humor. When do we want it NOW.
     
  20. Nick

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    ...and a 'professional' hit man is just doing HIS job. Your justification of Stern's foul-mouth style doesn't hold up to the light of close examination.



    Freak, your so-called "majority" isn't. Whatever Stern's ratings numbers are, when compared to the total number of all listeners/viewers in a given time slot, his actual audience would be a very small percentage of the whole.

    Just because Stern has achieved a certain level of so-called "popularity" in no way justifies the immature crap he serves up to his equally immature audience. I say keep him off the public airwaves, but let him spew his foul-mouthed effluence on cable & sat-only TV channels, and on sat radio.
     
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