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Stick with my TIVO box or go with the new Plus HD DVR

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Davis5150, Jun 4, 2008.

  1. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '07

    Jan 21, 2003
    No offense to the Dish forums here but they are pretty light in traffic. Satguys is the main Dish forum and you can read for days about complaints. It's just a matter of traffic. Satguys is more Dish centered while DBSTalk gets most of the DirecTV traffic. The fact is that forums like this will be filled with complaints, it's the main reason why they exist. One only needs to look at the Tivo forum to see tons of complaints about the Tivo as well.

  2. tabraha

    tabraha Cool Member

    Jan 23, 2007
    True but I like you have been in this forum a long time (longer than my screen name reflects, I forgot my old ID and login!) and this forum has absolutely exploded with traffic due to the HR20 coming along and not being ready for primetime upon it's initial release. It's tons better now, and I'm happy for that but I was among the early folks with the DirecTivo unit and the # of issues I had with it were miniscule in comparison.

    I think the HR2x's are at a level now that I would leave the Tivo, especially if you're ready to enjoy HD! I would absolutely not waste my time if I didn't own or plan to own a HDTV though. I even prefer the HR-20 remote over the sacred peanut many love. If you get to keep your Tivo box for another room and are getting the HD DVR do it!
  3. Kansas Zephyr

    Kansas Zephyr Hall Of Fame

    Jun 29, 2007
    If you want all the HD that D* can provide there's no choice, you need a HR2x.

    I'm pleased with my HR20s. I'm not "upset" that I use them. But, they are not as reliable as my HR10-250 or R10.

    I can't remember issues with the TiVos. Not, to say there were none, but that they were infrequent enough that I don't remember anything major or recurring.

    The HR20s, on the other hand are not horrible, at all. But let's be honest, they are not as stable as the HR10-250.

    Granted the D* boxes have much more plentiful features. I'm not one of those "give me TiVo or give me death" posters.

    But, the most critical basic function of being able to watch live and DVR TV is still better (i.e. it is on and working...not rebooting...not scrambling the OTA after a reset...etc.) on the HR10-250 and the R10.
  4. MikeekiM

    MikeekiM Godfather

    Oct 1, 2006
    Well said... This is pretty much my opinion as well...

    1. I am pleased with my HR20 and HR21s... I'd even say I am "happy" with them...

    2. There were some serious growing pains early on with the HR20, but many of the issues have been addressed, thanks to regular updates to the firmware (to me, this shows a dedication and determination by DTV to improve the platform)... Yes, there is still some more maturity that needs to happen to make it more solid...but it is 90% there in my opinion.

    3. I am also not a "give me TiVo or give me death" person... I do love my TiVo though...

    4. HD is a thing of beauty... Go for it!
  5. Nicholsen

    Nicholsen Godfather

    Aug 18, 2007
    I would support keeping a TIVO as a back-up as well. I am not a big fan of the HR21, which is the unit currently shipping. I use it because, and only because, that is the only way to access the new MPEG4 channels. I use the TIVO to record HD on OTA and SD on the D* dish. IMHO, the best feature of the TIVO HR10-250 is that it works reliably. (It may have had some issues in the past, but it is solid as a rock now.)

    I think there is a serious split of opinion regarding the HR2x units. A large group is pretty happy and wonders why people like me just don't get it. Another large group is pretty unhappy and sees some big problems. They wonder how anyone can argue that the HR21 is actually better than the TIVO unit. (I won't estimate the size of each group, as that is a major bone of contention on the board)

    A chorus of "mine works fine" from people on the board won't be much comfort if your HR21 doesn't work properly for you. If all it took to solve the typical HR2x problem was a replacement unit, that would be great. However, I think that some users have had difficulties that can't be fixed with just a box swap.

    Get a good install with new cables and install a UPS for your DVRs.

    If it was me, I would seriously think about getting an HD TIVO HR10-250 (they are now available used at very reasonably prices) and buying an outside antenna for OTA, to supplement my set-up. The $5 a month charge will seem like a bargain if you come home and the HR21 has missed a recording of your favorite show.
  6. Ozam

    Ozam Cool Member

    Feb 27, 2008
    Make no mistake about it the HR21 is NOT a TIVO. However, it works just fine. The best analogy I can provide is to mp3 players. What makes the ipod so successful is its software... its usability...the same goes for TIVO.

    If the HR21 didn't give me access to tons more HD content I would drop it in a second. However, the additional content more than offsets any deficiencies in usefulness.
  7. Jeff5614

    Jeff5614 Cool Member

    Apr 14, 2008
    I had TIVO for years and had considered moving on a couple of years ago but then I found this site and read all the negatives about Direct's DVR's and decided not to. I finally couldn't stand it anymore and upgraded to an HR21-100 about 3 months ago. So far, the only issue I had was the unit locking up once and a reboot fixing that. Other than that it has performed flawlessly. It is a little different than what you're used to with TIVO but nothing that makes me regret changing.
  8. bidger

    bidger Hall Of Fame

    Nov 19, 2005
    I've found no good reason(s) to limit myself to one DVR platform. That is something, however, that each user needs to resolve for themselves.
  9. wingrider01

    wingrider01 Hall Of Fame

    Sep 9, 2005
    Again, different opinions, best thing that happened here was the 10 was replaced with a 20, the number of screams heard throughout the house because Americian Idol or dora the epxlorer is unwatchable because the 10 did a self-induced restart have dropped to nothing. The last 10 is starting to exhibet the same issues so it will be going the way of the rest of them before to long, but it sits in the garage hooked up to a set out there so it maybe a while yet.

    Find the other mp3 players on the market just as easy to use as the ipod, so not a valid analog for some people either.

    More content + no self-induced restarts + VOD + no hacking needd for basic features + MRV rsn = winner
  10. jmrwiseguy

    jmrwiseguy Mentor

    Jul 9, 2007
    Personally I wouldn't own a non-Tivo DVR...but, I don't think I should stop others from owning one. :rolleyes:
  11. houskamp

    houskamp Active Member

    Sep 14, 2006
    simple question: Do you want any HD programing from Directv at the end of the year (as well as any sports packages)?
    If you do you will have to have the newer recievers as Directv is moving all HD programing to mpeg4..
    by the way my 2 HR20s and HR21 have been solid..
  12. Nicholsen

    Nicholsen Godfather

    Aug 18, 2007
    I guess your position is that D* is making us an offer we can't refuse. I have been with D* 9-10 years now, and have talked it up to my friends. I like the D* programming package. I was very happy with my Sony Ultimate TV (the Microsoft implementation of a DVR). I was also very happy with the TIVO HR10-250. I am truly disappointed with the HR21. This is not about Tivo adoration. It is about my general disappointment with the features, interface and reliability of the HR21 software.

    If the NFL Sunday Ticket were available though the evil cable empire, I would simply buy a new HD TIVO box with cable cards and move on. I would happily give up "expanded" HD content (like the HD food channel) to get an HD DVR that records reliably and has a better feature set (DLB and slo-mo).

    Given that cable is not a good option for me, I will continue to run the faithful HR10-250 (with OTA) as my primary DVR, and hope that a better D* DVR is in the pipeline.
  13. rustynails

    rustynails Godfather

    Apr 24, 2008
    I have had E's Vip722 and now have D's Hr21 and it is like night or day. The 722 was far superior to the 21 in regards to the user interface and features. Having said this, I have had no problems with recordings with either box.
  14. dinotheo

    dinotheo Godfather

    Sep 21, 2006
    I am not as forgiving as some folks on here. The comments of....my HR20 has only missed X recordings would be unacceptable to me. Even if X was 1. A DVR by its nature should do 1 thing. And that is to record. Sure some of the features are nice. MRV coming will be nice, DLB would be nice, the MPEG4 channels are nice, etc... but if it misses recordings, what is the point? Since the 22d software my receivers are crap. (I've had missed recordings, blank recordings and 771 errors ad nauseum)
    You can have arguments all day over which interface is better. That is purely a matter of choice. (FWIW, I like the TiVo better) I've had HR10-250's since they were released April 2004. (I was number 1 on the preorder list at my Tweeter) I don't ever recall my HR10-250's (I had 3 at one point) missing a recording. I still have two that are my emergency receivers for when the HR20/1 inevitably miss a recording. I also have an HTPC hooked up on my other main viewing room to stream shows off the internet for missed recordings.
    To answer the OP question.....you pretty much have no choice. You have yo have an HR20/21 if you want HD.
  15. bonscott87

    bonscott87 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '07

    Jan 21, 2003
    Well, you can refuse it. But the fact of the matter is that if you want HD from DirecTV then you have to use an HR20/21. Period. Like it or not, end of story.

    For almost 2 years now my HR20 has never missed a recording and neither has my nearly year old HR21. I have had several stand alone Tivo's and DirecTivo's over the past 8 years as well. I could care less what the UI is of my DVR, so long as it does it's job. And the HR2x does it's job. If it didn't I'd be going to Uverse or cable.
  16. Grentz

    Grentz New Member

    Jan 10, 2007
    and that is a personal preference type opinion.

    For me the Dish DVRs are horrible to use and the menus look like something out of the 90s IMO.
  17. Flyrx7

    Flyrx7 Godfather

    Dec 26, 2007
    Seeing as you're a sports fan, just be aware that you can't switch tuners between 2 games and rewind, etc., as you can with the Tivo unit. Otherwise known as Dual Live Buffers (DLB).
    Your sporting experience will look better with the HD content, but the experience will be a bit lackluster due to the missing DLB feature.

  18. MikeekiM

    MikeekiM Godfather

    Oct 1, 2006
    My understanding (I am not a big DLB user so I cannot confirm this), is that there is a workaround... Something about recording both, and then you can swap between the two?

    I don't know the details... Maybe someone who uses this workaround can comment... I have heard it is an inconvenience to press record for the two shows, but that it is a viable/workable work around...
  19. jodyguercio

    jodyguercio Active Member

    Aug 16, 2007
    Thats the workaround for the lack of DLB. It works fine, kind of a hassle, but if you want to watch two things at once and be able to go back and forth, thats the only workaround.

    For the OP, I had a HR10-250 for years and had a death grip on it until I got the HR20-100. Loved it from day one. I kept the 10-250 in service until about two or three months ago dont remember and swapped it for a HR21/AM21 combo. Kind of like ripping off a Band-Aid, just gotta do it.
  20. MikeekiM

    MikeekiM Godfather

    Oct 1, 2006
    Warning: This comment is coming from a non-DLB user... So may not be a very sympathetic or knowledgeable response... :)

    Sounds like a very viable workaround... I can absolutely understand people's frustration with losing something that they used to be able to do... But isn't this situation a pretty good one? What is the downside here? People already have to manipulate the remote to switch from program to program to flip between the two sports games... There is a small investment in the beginning to "set things up"... but the capability (I was about to call it a "feature", but stopped myself), is there, right?

    I know I am treading on very dangerous territory here, based on the number of posts (and the passion within them) in the DLB thread... But I would think this would be completely unacceptable if there was no capability to do this... But there does appear to be that capability...

    Anyway, just a comment from a non-DLB user...

    Please...no flames... I really have not kept up with this issue at all...

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