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Straight Answer Re: 1080p v. 1080i

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by 1953, Jun 12, 2010.

  1. 1953

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    For a short while I toyed with the idea of purchasing a new 1080p LCD HDTV since our present Sony is max 1080i. When I talk to anyone 'selling' AV equipment the answer is of course 'yes' it is worth the money and 'yes' we will immediately notice the difference in video quality from DTV and OTA stations broadcasting in 1080p. Obviously I know that salespeople are out to make a buck so this is way I turn to you folks for honest user opinions.

    "Is it is worth the money to upgrade to a new 1080p HDTV and will we immediately notice the difference in video quality from DTV and OTA stations broadcasting in 1080p?"

    Here is my current AV setup:
    1. Sony KDF46E2000 HDTV (1080i max)
    2. Denon AVR 987 ( assume 1080p max w/HDMI 1.1)
    3. DirecTV HD HR20-700 DVR (1080p max)
    4. Denon CD/SACD/DVD 2200 (480i up scaled to 720p via Sony HDTV+
    5. Toshiba HD-DVD HD-A1 (1080i max)
    6. Infinity Alpha Series Model 50 , 37c, 20 Series Speakers (5.1 config.)
    8. Valodyne VA2000 Sub-woofer
    9. Monster Premium Cabling
    10. Monster HT3600 HTS Mk II Power Center
     
  2. RunnerFL

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    The short answer is yes, you will notice a difference between a 1080p and a 1080i signal especially if you have a blu-ray player capable of 1080p/24. You'll immediately notice changes in the menus on your blu-ray player. Icons will be smoother, etc.

    As far as your DirecTV DVR you won't see a difference in menus and such, but you will see a difference between a movie recorded in 1080i vs one recorded in 1080p.
     
  3. compnurd

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    How far do you sit from the TV? after a certain distance, you wont see a difference but like the other poster said, unless you have Blu Ray or download a 1080p movie, you wont see a big difference on D*
     
  4. Jeremy W

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    You're going to notice an increase in picture quality simply because you're getting a newer, better TV. 1080p is icing on the cake, and the only other option these days is 720p, and you don't want that.
     
  5. cthomp21

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    Be aware that the vast majority of HD material you watch already is either 1080i or 720p. The only 1080p material available from D* right now is the 1080p pay-per-view stuff. I'm unaware of any 1080p material even sent OTA.

    In short, you'd be wasting your $$$ unless you watch a lot of blu-rays from a very short seating distance.

    IMO, 1080p is a waste of $$$ on a TV less than 50" (or a computer monitor).

    Also, newer doesn't automatically equate to better. The old Sony SPF HD tubes which maxed out at a 1080i on a 34" 16:9 screen and the discontinued Pioneer Kuro plasmas are still the references yet to be bested in the opinions of many videophiles.
     
  6. Yoda-DBSguy

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    Just FYI, There are NO OTA Channels or satellite channels for that matter that broadcast in 1080P.

    • 1080P can only be achieved via the following methods:
    • Blu-Ray Disc
    • DirecTV's On Demand or PPV which are downloadable via an internet connection to the IRD.
    • Dishnetwork's equivelant to DirecTV's above listed downloadable service
    • AppleTV's sevice (which I believe currently is downloadable at a max res of 720P)

    *Any of the above's bit rates (with the exception of Blu-Ray) have been decreased/scaled back in order to save bandwidth and download time. So for the clearest, most defined piture and sound experience, Blu-ray is by far the only true FULL 1080P format to date.

    Moral of the story is don't listen or shop at "Worst Purchase"! :grin:
     
  7. JerryMeeker

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    +1. There are likely to be so many other technological advances over your present Sony (LED, 240 Hz, etc.) that a new TV will look significantly better whether watching 1080i or 1080p.
     
  8. hilmar2k

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    PPV 1080p content is via sat, not downloaded.
     
  9. BattleZone

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    Yoda is correct (strong with the force is that one): there are ZERO OTA broadcasts in 1080p, and ZERO cable networks delivering 1080p.

    DirecTV has a single linear 1080p PPV channel and some downloadable 1080p PPV content. Dish also has downloadable 1080p PPV content. Cable has no 1080p at all on the major systems - there may be a few regional companies that offer some, though.

    So, 1080p content is largely going to come from either Blu-Ray (including PS3 games) or from a computer, with the exceptions noted above, and as Yoda pointed out, the sat companies only offer reduced bitrate content out of necessity, so effectively, only Blu-Ray can deliver high-bitrate content at 1080p resolution. That won't be the case forever, but that's what we have for now.

    While I recommend folks buying an HDTV today to strongly consider a TV capable of 1080/24p at the correct frame rate (because they're already buying *something*), I would hesitate to recommend replacing a perfectly good 1080i TV just to get 1080p. If you have other reasons for the upgrade as well (larger screen, second room, etc.), then fine.
     
  10. BattleZone

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    DirecTV has a single linear PPV channel that has 1080/24p content. They also pre-load a handful of 1080/24p PPV movies to your HD-DVR overnight via sat at slower-than-real-time, but this is usually limited to 3-5 titles at any given time, max. The rest of the 1080/24p-available content must be downloaded via OnDemand.
     
  11. hilmar2k

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    So what you're saying is that all 1080p PPV content comes from the sat? ;)
     
  12. Jeremy W

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    Did you read the last sentence?
     
  13. hilmar2k

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    Yup. Did you read the one you quoted?
     
  14. dennisj00

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    I downloaded 'Casino Royale' and 'Birdman of Alcatraz' from VOD in 1080p. . . Birdman was especially interesting since it was B&W and you could really see the flaws in the film go by.

    Check out 1000 MGM, there are a number of 1080p that aren't ppv. (and don't come through the sat)
     
  15. Jeremy W

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    I did. There is a ton of 1080p PPV content that is not delivered via satellite, so that makes the quote wrong, like I implied.
     
  16. mdavej

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  17. BattleZone

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    No doubt, going from a "720p" (really 1366x768) rear projector to a 1920x1080p direct-view set is going to be a BIG difference, but that difference doesn't have a whole lot to do with the difference between 1080i and 1080p.

    As I was explaining to a customer today, there are a good dozen or more important factors in the quality/performance of an HDTV to be considered, which makes them far more complicated than SDTVs. The trade-off is that they can do a lot more, and do those things FAR better than old SDTVs ever could. But it's easy to focus on one parameter and forget about others that have a much greater impact on what you ultimately see.
     
  18. peano

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    It completely depends on your viewing distance. In 95% of cases a 768p plasma will look just as good as a 1080p plasma.
     
  19. djrobx

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    Any 1080i film material (even from HBO, CBS, or NBC) should look better on the 1080p TV. When you have 24 frames-per-second film material, the original 1080p frame can always be re-constructed perfectly from the interlaced frames because there's no time differential between the interlaced frames. In fact, there's some redundancy that needs to get thrown out. The TV's deinterlacer should detect this 2:3 pulldown and render the progressive frames correctly, just as they were before they were interlaced.

    "1080p" on-demand content is definitely an improvement, but it's also a bit of a marketing trick - 1080p/24 is simply the most logical and efficient way to transfer 24p film material, even to 1080i customers. It removes the need for those duplicated interlaced frames required to bring 24fps up to 60fps. It's not unlike "480p" DVD players that work simply because DVDs, again in an effort to be efficient, tend to store film frames only once, expecting the player to perform the 2:3 pulldown. Instead of doing that pulldown, the player can just reconstruct the 480p frame and send that out instead to TV's capable of displaying 480p.

    Live material is another story. No TV providers are doing 1080p/60 content that I'm aware of. That would likely require much more bandwidth, but it'd be more of a spectacular improvement, especially if you had a nice big screen. :)
     
  20. drpjr

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    I smell a TomCat response coming.;):lol:
     

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