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Sub-zero temps in Chicago; record cold/snow in NW; blizzard warnings--Global Warming?

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Lord Vader, Dec 21, 2008.

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  1. Dec 23, 2008 #41 of 152
    Lord Vader

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    I don't politicize it like conservative groups OR liberal groups. I simply look at history and find it laughable that all this started only BECAUSE of those on the Left acting like Chicken Littles. After all, how can we go from being on the verge of a global ice age, global cooling and the like, in the 1970s (see Newsweek, TIME, et. al.), then a short 25-30 years later these SAME sources are now saying we're experiencing global warming, that we're doomed, that we're destroying our climate. Puhleeze! They were wrong then; they're wrong now.

    Oh, btw, what's your explanation for the arctic region being home to palm trees and NO ice but a short 1 million years ago?

    Face it. Earth's temps go up, they go down. Climate changes for the bad and for the good. It's all cyclical. To think Mankind can affect the planet's global climate is, again, the ultimate in both vanity and ignorance, not to mention paranoia.
     
  2. Dec 23, 2008 #42 of 152
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    Any addition to a closed environment is going to change that environment. To think that's not the case is foolish.

    I suppose it's vanity when you pass gas in an elevator and tell people the smell isn't from you.
     
  3. Dec 23, 2008 #43 of 152
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    The hype in the 50's over the earth cooling was mostly caused by the media, was short lived and had very little to do with real science. That's kind of like those who today claim that global climate change is not occurring have very little science to back up their arguments. One winter being cooler than the previous does not indicate a trend. Where I live we have not had a real winter in a couple years. I have mowed my lawn in December the past two 'winters' as we have had 80 and 90 degree days. At no time during the past two years did we have a freezing temperature but just as your colder than usual temps, this was more a local phenomena rather than an indication of global temperature changes.


    This would be the natural long term cycles that the earth undergoes due to various predictable changes. I only wish we could all wait 1 million years to see it happen again. The climate change that scientists are concerned about are the accelerated changes brought about by man that are not natural. Over a million years most species can evolve and adapt to survive the changes. When the changes occur too fast those same species will die out. Man could easily be among them.

    The cycles are so very true but man is messing with the natural long term cycles. Those who deny that these changes are happening had better get their heads out of the sand before their beach is underwater.
     
  4. Dec 23, 2008 #44 of 152
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    The simple response to this Chicago weather observation is this.: IT"S BEARS WEATHER! Old man winter knew we needed some help (ok.. alot of help) to beat the Packers. What a hell of a game!!!!!
     
  5. Dec 23, 2008 #45 of 152
    Lord Vader

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    First, earth is not a closed environment. If it was, the sun would have no effect on us, and there'd be no discussion on the ozone hole coming and going, etc. Second, your analogy of the elevator is faulty due to your first statement being incorrect.
     
  6. Dec 23, 2008 #46 of 152
    Lord Vader

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    There's no such thing as "Bears weather."
     
  7. Dec 23, 2008 #47 of 152
    Ken S

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    Ahh...you say it's incorrect so it is.
     
  8. Dec 23, 2008 #48 of 152
    Lord Vader

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    You finally have learned something.
     
  9. Dec 23, 2008 #49 of 152
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    Well Imma have to side with global warming being real. Al Gore's movie made money, the market has spoken.

    /colbert
     
  10. Dec 23, 2008 #50 of 152
    Lord Vader

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    Oh. My. God.

    First, let's not bring him or politics into this like that. The thread will be closed. Second, his movie was one of the biggest crocks of s--t ever to have hit the big screen. And to those who went to see it? As someone once famous said, "There's a sucker born every minute."

    I like what Weather Channel founder John Coleman has said: "Al Gore should be sued for fraud."
     
  11. Dec 23, 2008 #51 of 152
    Stuart Sweet

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    Here I agree with Mr. Vader on this specific point: further ventures into politics, including commentary on a past Vice President of the United States, will cause this thread to be closed.

    You may have your opinions on global climate change being real but my warning, I assure you, is quite real.
     
  12. Dec 23, 2008 #52 of 152
    Lord Vader

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    Yes, let's just have everyone continue to argue about the science of this and not the politics. That's why in my OP I didn't bring in the politics of this, just the "science," as faulty as it is.

    Besides, once everyone realizes I'm right, there's nothing more to discuss anyway.

    :D
     
  13. Dec 23, 2008 #53 of 152
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    Some may believe that you are right, but it is unlikely that many who actually study the science related to global climate change will 'realize' that you are right.

    As far as the earth's closed environment mentioned earlier, think of it as similar to a fish bowl. Water and fish cannot escape but light and heat can enter through the glass. In the earth's atmosphere water, fish, people and greenhouse gases cannot escape but sunlight and heat can enter. Heat can also escape but as the amount of greenhouse gases (primarily CO2) build above normal they also retain more of the heat and contribute to global warming.
     
  14. Dec 23, 2008 #54 of 152
    Lord Vader

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    Then it's not a closed environment.
     
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    so, let's assume global warming is real. it get's too hot to sustain human life, and we once again have alaskan tropics. humans die, the world goes back to it's normal cycles, and all the roaches and ferrets are happy.

    where's the problem?
     
  16. Dec 23, 2008 #56 of 152
    Lord Vader

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    Exactly! We're all going to die in 2012 anyway, so who the hell cares?
     
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    I'm hip. ;)
     
  19. Dec 23, 2008 #59 of 152
    txtommy

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    I know that I'm going to regret asking, but just what pseudo-scientific event is supposed to happen in 2012?
     
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    isn't some dwarf star that's in orbit supposed to fly by earth? something to do with the nephlim?
     
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