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Superstations - The Final Countdown?

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by MikeW, Jan 29, 2009.

  1. newsman

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    Isn't WGN a super? They seem to have a decent HD picture.
     
  2. Steve Mehs

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    No, WGN is not a superstation. WGN America (the national feed), is very different then WGN 9 out of Chicago. It's a national feed of a local broadcast channel like TBS is. There are five and only five superstations, WPIX and WWOR from NYC, WSBK from Boston, KTLA from LA and KWGN from Denver.
     
  3. JohnH

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    WGN America is not a Superstation. It is a cable network, the same as TBS(which used to be a Superstation). The programming no longer is the same as WGN 9 Chicago which technically has lost its Superstation status.
     
  4. James Long

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    They might. There are markets where DISH has a direct connection to their locals (not OTA) but there are a lot of places where DISH and DirecTV use well placed tuners feeding the signal back to the uplink center.

    DISH Network's superstation feed is the same as one would get if you lived in that market and subscribed to the channel as a local.

    As DISH worked toward the original deadline in February they converted all of their POPs (point of presence) to OTA digital or direct connections. We probably have not seen an analog local on DISH anywhere in the country since early February. (Perhaps low power stations, but not full power stations.)
     
  5. phrelin

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    I'm not sure who decided what the proper definition of a "Superstation" is. According to Wikepedia the FCC says: "A television broadcast station, other than a network station, licensed by the FCC that is secondarily transmitted by a satellite carrier." The article goes on to say: However, while the FCC defines 'superstation' as a term, it does not prohibit its use by others.... The term is used by many other TV and radio stations...."

    So the term doesn't really have a clear meaning. But you are right about the programming of WGN America and WGN 9.
     
  6. JohnH

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    All of the Superstations are listed in the Law. They are WSBK, WWOR, WPIX, KWGN, KTLA and WGN. The law also says there can be no new Superstations. WGN does not seem to be destributed by Satellite to the country anymore as the other Superstations are.
     
  7. JohnH

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    Who knows what will happen when Congress discovers that CW is now a "Network".
     
  8. newsman

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    Thanks for the clarification.
     
  9. compubit

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    CW doesn't air enough programming to be considered a network - plus it wasn't a network in effect when the law was written (the law defines "Network" as an interconnect of stations airing over 15 hours of programming per week that was in existance on a specific date (1995 comes to mind). CW carries 2 hours per night M-F - less than the 15 defining a network.

    Back when The WB was on - they aired 15 hours of prime time a week, plus the cartoons, but technically wasn't a network due to not being in effect on the specified date, plus the Kid programming was packaged separate from the prime time stuff...

    IIRC, the original list of superstations consisted of the following:

    WSBK/Boston
    WWOR/New York
    WPIX/New York
    WTBS/Atlanta
    WGN/Chicago
    KTVT/Dallas
    KWGN/Denver
    KTLA/Los Angeles

    WGN became WGN America (a cable station)
    WTBS became TBS (a cable station)
    KTVT became a CBS affiliate (and thus dropped from being a superstation)

    Going further back, I think KTVU was on satellite before becoming Fox.

    Jim
     
  10. James Long

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    It depends on if they change the law.

    The law defining network has a date in it. The "network" has to have a certain footprint by that date to be considered a network. Later networks did not have that footprint on that date. They won't be considered networks until the law is changed.
     
  11. david_jr

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    BTW MLB EI is $200,000,000 entry fee. WGN also carries some White Sox and Cubs games.
     
  12. eckertman

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    I was told by dish that they would stay and I am a going with that.
     
  13. mrfish67

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    This is the second time I have read this. I tried a San Lorenzo address (15813 CHANNEL ST SAN LORENZO, CA 94580) on the DISH Network local channel qualifier page, and that said that all superstations are available.
     
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    They discovered it long ago but it is irrelevant. the definition of a network used in SHVERA specifies date that is well before the existence of the CW. BTW the CW DOES air more than enough programming to qualify as a network. the only reason it si not one under this part of law is the date issue.
     
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    There is a definition of superstation. unfortunately even stations that do not meet that definition are allowed to call themselves that and both TBS and WGN did that for a time when they were no longer really superstations.


    The only relevant definition for this discussion is the one in SHVERA and that is the named six stations minus WGN which is no longer distributed nationally.
    So there really is no confusion or ambiguity in this context.
     
  16. Paul Secic

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    That's what they told me. Anyway I can live without KTLA. The morning news got stale. Dish removed KTLA back in January.
     
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    I don't understand why the digital transition would change anything. They can leave them as they are in SD or add the HD feeds at some point as well.
     
  18. eckertman

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    I don't really know what your situation is. But, living in the Chicago area I have KTLA.
     
  19. mrfish67

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    There clearly are markets in which a local station is claiming exclusivity to certain programs, thereby causing some superstations to be unavailable. In the case of the San Francisco Bay Area, I could not find evidence of this being the case as the qualifier states WPIX, WWOR, KWGN, WSBK, and KTLA are available one and all.

    In the immediate Los Angeles area, WWOR and WSBK are not available, though if you travel some distance from "downtown Los Angeles", those addresses do qualify. For example, Barstow, which is still part of the Los Angeles market, qualifies for all superstations.
     
  20. nmetro

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    Strange, I live 35 miles from KWGN's transmitter and based upon the above comment, I should not be able to receive WPIX or KTLA as CW superstations or WWOR as MyTV (KVDR is Denver's CW), but I do. Matter of fact, fro sporting events and some CW shows having these channels come in handy. Also, WPIX does a better job on New York news coverage compared to WWOR. By teh way, I do not know why WSBK is not available, as it is an independent station (it was a UPN affiliate, but with the creation of MyTV, it chose to become an independent instead). The only affiliation WSBK has is that it broadcasts the newscasts from WBZ; though, the Red Sox games they do show are blacked out beyond the Boston area. And yes, I am a superstation subscriber and been one since DISH started offering the service. At least this ex-New Yorker can keep up to date with the goings on in the New York area by getting news directly from the source.
     

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