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Swiftboat vs Moveon.org

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  1. Aug 24, 2004 #61 of 126
    lee635

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    Kerry condemned it within a few days and asked it be taken down.

    And moveon removed the link, but they do not control the individual's website who posted it. It was removed from moveon.org within a few days, not months. Moveon doesn't control the official bush website, so they couldn't remove the bushie's hitler attack ad either. :rolleyes:
     
  2. Aug 24, 2004 #62 of 126
    Lyle_JP

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    I'm sorry. Your post seemed to imply that MoveOn.org had condemned it, which they never did, to my knowledge.

    Crap, Crap, CRAP! Did you even read the Drudge report item? The secret link that stayed active for more than six months was on the MoveOn.org webserver!! It was a link to a file in the www.moveon.org hierarchy, not to another individual's server. Don't try to tell me that MoveOn had no control over what files were being hosted on their own webserver! :nono:
     
  3. Aug 24, 2004 #63 of 126
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    Read my post. I didn't say anything about what Kerry said. I referred to "the left." Deliberately. Specifically to avoid being accused of what you are saying. Nor did I say moveon.org. Again, I said "the left." I suppose the contributor of the ad to moveon.org was a Goldwater conservative?
     
  4. Aug 24, 2004 #64 of 126
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    A little reminder. The attacks on Bush re AWOl, etc. etc. started MONTHS ago. I'm not referring to moveon.org ads. I don't recall hearing Kerry come out and tell people to stop criticizing Bush on that issue. I DO recall DNC authorities stoking the flames about it on t.v. and radio, constantly. Now that Kerry's got similar troubles, he's being oh so diplomatic about it. Why wasn't he making the same comments, directed toward his own people rather than 527's, months ago?
     
  5. Aug 24, 2004 #65 of 126
    lee635

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    I must have missed the 527 ads from several months ago on Bush being missing?

    I have no problem with DNC or RNC stoking the flames on issues, so long as its clear its coming from the parties. Then you don't have Bush acting like a coward and letting his lackeys do the dirty work for him.
     
  6. Aug 24, 2004 #66 of 126
    Lyle_JP

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    That's because he was too busy fanning the flames himself!

    "The issue here, as I have heard it raised, is was he present and active on duty in Alabama at the times he was supposed to be. . . . Just because you get an honorable discharge does not in fact answer that question." -John Kerry, Feb 8th, 2004

    "This comes from a president and a Republican party that can't even answer whether or not he showed up for duty in the National Guard. I'm not going to stand for it." -John Kerry on Good Morning America, Apr 26th, 2004

    And this guy has the nerve to cry about people who challenge his war record! *spit*
     
  7. Aug 24, 2004 #67 of 126
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    "Crap, Crap, CRAP! Did you even read the Drudge report item?" With all due respect, man. Your first mistake is reading the Drudge Report, and your second mistake is believing ANYTHING on that site. No argument that uses Drudge as a source holds an ounce of credibility.
     
  8. Aug 24, 2004 #68 of 126
    Lyle_JP

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    Back when Drudge first posted that link I followed it and it worked! Are you going to call me a liar too? Do you really think Drudge would post a link that couldn't be linked to in his article that day?

    FACT: MoveOn hosted that video on their site.
    FACT: After the outcry they removed the links but still hosted the file for more than six months after cryptically renaming it.


    Frankly, I don't give a rotting pile of shit if you can't handle the truth. I'll tell you what, when you can document the amount of times Drudge has "lied" on his website, and that number even approaches the documented number of lies in "Fahrenheit 9/11", then get back to me.
     
  9. Aug 24, 2004 #69 of 126
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    Hmmm. I'm a little young to know for sure, but I thought all you had to do was walk in and sign the enlistment papers. I didn't know you had to be nominated or something. :rolleyes:
     
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    Hmmm. I'm a little young to know for sure, but I thought all you had to do was walk in and sign the enlistment papers.

    That illustrates the difference between today's National Guard and the guard of the Vietnam era. Today our national guard is easy to join, and they are a fighting force sent to battle behind the front line troops.

    During the Vietnam era however the guard didn't travel overseas (much more likely to be used in the civil rights protests) and only accepted a limited number of applicants. Competition to get in was tight, and strangely enough a lot of rich and influential folks made the rosters while folks like you and me would be drafted and sent overseas.
     
  11. Aug 24, 2004 #71 of 126
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    Yep, I tried to join the Indiana National Guard but they were filled up. But Dan Quayle got in with no problem the following year. His father was an influential newspaper publisher.
     
  12. Aug 24, 2004 #72 of 126
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    I guess I'll believe that when I see some proof. :confused:
     
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    Proof of what? that in the Vietnam era the guard was tough to get into? It was VERY tough in many states. Avoiding military conscription was a common practice then. I know a number of right and left wing types that did all kinds of things to avoid service in Vietnam.

    College deferments were usally Plan A but the guard was used by many. Theoretically they could have goner to Vietnam at any time. But in practice it was not all that likely. Really conmnected people tried for guard duty that they nthought might help a future resume but that put them in units even less likely to go to Vietnam.

    maybe youa re too younf to remeber that Simon. But not everything is on the net. Now I expect the calls for me to "prove" this as well as one or two calls to know my military record.
     
  14. Aug 24, 2004 #74 of 126
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    Well, actually Chief, I've never known you to falsify anything, so if you say you were there, and that's how it was, I'll take your word for it. :)
     
  15. Aug 24, 2004 #75 of 126
    Richard King

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    Yep, it's correct. The NG was a very popular place to hang out and was tough to get into. If it was obvious that you were going to get drafted the Navy was the preferred route to go (they were known to have the best food :D) and people would run in to enlist as opposed to getting drafted.
     
  16. Aug 24, 2004 #76 of 126
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    And Richard nails any remaining doubt. :)
     
  17. Aug 25, 2004 #77 of 126
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    I'm glad there are a few people you will believe around here.
     
  18. Aug 25, 2004 #78 of 126
    TV Director

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    A litttle touchy, aren't we? When Drudge stops getting his talking points from the RNC get back to me...
     
  19. Aug 25, 2004 #79 of 126
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    Actually the Coast Guard was the service of choice for enlisting, but almost as hard to get into as the National Guard. Navy and Air Force next. "The Navy gets the gravy and The Army gets the beans". The Navy also had a full quota when my number came up. I didn't even consider the USAF. Only the Marines and Army were drafting men.
     
  20. Aug 25, 2004 #80 of 126
    lee635

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    Here you go.

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