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TABLETS???

Discussion in 'Tech Talk - Gadgets, Gizmos and Technology' started by Rich, Apr 15, 2011.

  1. klang

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    I'm curious if Amazon is going to allow an app like HBO Go which would stream non-Amazon content?
     
  2. bobnielsen

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    I doubt it (it's not in the Amazon Appstore), but it won't take long until the Fire is rooted and HBO Go can be installed from the Android Market (I'm running Netflix on my Nook Color).
     
  3. Steve

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    A New York Times article brings up a potential privacy issue:

     
  4. phrelin

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    It's a good article.

    Again, we're long time Amazon Prime customers. As it is Amazon's algorithms cannot seem to come up with meaningful recommendations based on our buying history. So I'm not worried so much about them recording who else we might buy from. And except for Amazon and the Apple store, I wouldn't buy using a tablet.

    The historical problem with providing a free browser is that it doesn't generate revenue. In considering the 10-year view, I'm mostly worried that a new browser paradigm is being established through the use of a proprietary cloud as an integral part of the browser operation. It could allow for a "Cloud Service Provider" charge - notice I said "could" and I didn't say when.

    I'm sure if he's paying attention, Steve Jobs is saying to himself "why didn't we think of that!" And Google and Microsoft will be watching.

    Right now, of course, by "emphasizing" their own store on their own tablet, Amazon will be simply "monetizing" the Fire tablet, something Apple has already done by forcing iPad owners to use iTunes to "sync" and "update the operating system", using the Apple App Store to buy Apps, and no longer allowing sales directly through Apps like the Kindle App.

    In the long term, though, I expect to see everyone "monetizing the clouds.":sure:
     
  5. Rich

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    Sorry, I didn't see the squib on the bottom of the picture....:nono2:

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  6. klang

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    Wow, if true:
    RIM reportedly bails on PlayBook, considers exiting tablet market

    http://www.bgr.com/2011/09/29/rim-reportedly-bails-on-playbook-considers-exiting-tablet-market/
    Glad I've transitioned from Blackberry to iPhone/iPad after forever on the Blackberry (which I loved at the time).

    Especially interesting since it seemed like much of the development team temporarily moved to the Playbook to get the Playbook out the door, which caused the 2011 new device delays.

    Edit: RIM has claimed that the rumor is "fiction".
     
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    I couldn't find this September 26 article yesterday. Fortunately, Forbes reprinted it this morning. It explains the overall economic underpinning of the tablet: Amazon's "Prime" challenger to the iPad: Why Amazon's Kindle tablet can succeed where others have failed.

    The key factor to understand is that there is no long-term profit potential in just manufacturing and selling technologically great tablets. Steve Jobs understood this even though for years Apple's hardware was simply more expensive partly from the company getting a greater profit margin than, say, HP or any other PC manufacturer.

    The one thing this article got wrong is in this paragraph:
    Now we know that the price is $199, 20% lower.

    Critics instantly noted that the Fire offers no camera or even no microphone. What was even more surprising was the no-3G-access element. But many tech writers are observing the same as in this Computerworld post:
    For us tech types, this article offers one fact about the Fire that may be upsetting:
    It's a non-proprietary operating system that is sort of proprietary.
     
  9. Steve

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    Since it's a dual-core device with a good screen and "only" $199, even without a camera, I'll bet a lot of hackers will buy them so they can root them.

    That said, the relatively small % of rooted Nook Colors, last year's "bargain", might be showing that only so many folks want a 7" tablet, bargain or not. As an e-reader, it's another story.
     
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    You're right about that. As I've posted elsewhere about the iPad, it looks cool but you really ought to know what you're going to do with it before you buy one. About 85% of the use on my wife's and on mine is to read Kindle books. About 10% is browsing. And about 5% is using various Apps.

    Hence, my curiosity about the Fire is mostly can we live with its 7" screen as we're old and don't see as well as we used to. If so, my wife will be much happier as she can manage her music - most in the last decade purchased from Amazon - without depending so much on iTunes.
     
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    Could Amazon have figured out a way to prevent the device from being rooted? Is it more difficult without an SD reader? The Fire only has a micro USB port for charging. What if you can't see the OS from the USB?
     
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    See The Kindle Fire will be Root-Friendly:
    And this article which appropriately compares the Fire to a Nook Color notes:
     
  13. Steve

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    Ya. Based on what I've read so far, and having used my daughter's Nook Color, doesn't sound like the Kindle Fire offers much more functionality, except the dual-core CPU might be better for games. That said, rumors are there's a second-gen Nook Color in the works. The only question will be whether or not B&N can subsidize it to the extent Amazon can.
     
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    From today's WSJ:

    Won't know for sure until somebody tears one down.

    Hmm, the 'Read more:...' part of the quote above was added to my copy by WSJ.
     
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    Now that there are new Kindle Fire magazine subscription deals in place between Amazon and some publishers, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple spends some time on the upcoming iOS 5 "Newsstand" feature, if and when they talk about iOS 5 at the 10/4 iPhone "event".
     
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    Since they've so heavily customized Android for the Fire, I guess it's possible they could swap the underlying OS beneath the same UI. They don't have to pay Google anything to use Android, tho, so the only reason I can think they might want to switch is because it may be cheaper than paying Microsoft's "Android tax".
     
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    Seth Myers made a humorous (and possibly astute) observation on SNL's "Weekend Update" segment, about 46 seconds in:

     
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    Predictions are for 15 million of them to be sold.

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    Buzz and timing is everything, I guess. Apart from being tied to your Amazon account, the Kindle Fire provides basically the same books, movies, music and browsing experience the Nook Color offered a year ago in the exact same 7" form factor. So unless the Nook Color was a product ahead of its time, if it didn't appeal to kids, Myers's quip may prove to be prophetic. :)
     

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