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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Sea bass, Jul 19, 2012.
Contact TCM yourself if you need proof. You said there has been some debate. No...not really. DBSTalk is new to this topic. It's old news elsewhere.
The "debate" I was referring to was on AVSForum. Even Ken H himself pondered whether this was the case.
I have compared several films, and I believe it's possible.
Even Ken H? :lol: He wouldn't know the difference.
Regardless of Ken H's perception of quality (which was not what I was referring to), he does appear to have decent industry contacts, and a fair amount of knowledge when it comes to the industry.
I have reason to doubt that. Regardless, you're misinterpreting his statements. Even HD broadcast masters would be up-converted at the end of the chain. Down-converted to SD....then up-converted. In the end....they are all up-converts. That is the point.
I'm very aware of that...
My statement was in regards to the difference in quality seen. If you took an HD master, downconverted it and upconverted it back, you'd see a difference in quality compared to an SD source upconverted.
The couple of widescreen movies I watched the other day were either window-boxed or the under-scan must have been 15-20%.
Maybe it is just happening some of the time? Or is this the expected result of up-conversion of a letter-boxed SD movie?
Upconverted, windowboxed, letterboxed why all the fuss? TCM HD is a big improvement over TCM SD.
What it all boils down to is that this is what TCM wants. They want viewers to be satisfied with up-converts. It saves them money. I'd rather not feed into that and make it easier for them to avoid improving their product. So be it. Some folks are happy, others are not. I'll leave it at that.
If people are happy, what difference does it make.
I will state it once more. If you did not know that they up convert, you would not know. You may think their transfers were varying in quality (which they still do...Forbidden Planet was stellar, Meet John Doe was murky). Some of us know too much about what goes in the sausage.
I maintain that I have seen PQ on supposedly new HD programming than I have seen on TCM.
If they play a trick and the movie is pleasant to watch and they have ZERO commercials and put 99% of their movies in OAR and uncut, I will happily live with a pretty much undiscernable change in quality.
Or would you rather watch the crap that AMC puts out as HD? If it costs them a lot of money, they may have to add commercials.
Be a snob all you want. When you compare the same channels on two providers, I see your point. When you bitch and moan over a good product just because you know they are not pristine all the way through, that is just getting in your own way. Stay away from TCM. I will enjoy the excellent choice of movies while you perform a boycott that has zero effect on them.
...because it has a negative impact on those who are unhappy. The same is true of truly horrible Blu-ray transfers. Hold them to a low standard and they will happily oblige.
False. It is very obvious.
False. There has been absolutely no film content on TCM HD that is actually HD since it was launched in June of 2009. None. All films are being up-converted for broadcast.
Oh to be so lucky to be around such an expert...I'll sleep happier tonight.
Most upconverted DVDs here look pretty bad, but there are exceptions, like the one I mentioned. Can't compare the bad ones to TCMHD because the issues are completely different -softness for TCM, and EE halos, jaggies etc. on DVD.
My point was that a consumer source and upconvert chip shouldn't ever be better than what the pros have access to, or should have access to.
One of my local network affiliates downconverts from 1080i to 720p - very soft image, similar to TCMHD.
Oh, for those who can't tell the difference -the little 26" in my office, from 10' away looks better on TCMSD than the 64 downstairs looks on TCMHD. So I guess they don't really need to bother with all this HD stuff after all. I just need to knock about a wall to get 27' back and all is well
1. How does your not watching TCM affect them. Don't buy the blu ray you cite and they don't get your money. Unless you are a Nielsen house, your viewing habits mean diddly. The only person you are spiting is yourself. go ahead. Boycott. Meanwhile, I will enjoy Captain Blood which looks great.
2. Yeah sure.
3. I didn't say there was. I am saying that there is plenty of hd (supposedly real hd by your "standards") that looks worse than much, if not most, of TCM's up rez. But by your mind that is not possible because of the numbers.
Would be nice if TCM VOD expanded their menu to include HD and more movie selections.
One must have something in HD to provide in order to provide it.
I don't believe so, and let's hope they don't start airing commercials like AMC and FMC have done.