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Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Sea bass, Jul 19, 2012.

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  1. Jul 20, 2012 #41 of 286
    Laxguy

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    That may be true of some but not all.

    Where do you get your info on the sentence I bolded? Any idea why?
     
  2. Jul 20, 2012 #42 of 286
    tonyd79

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    The entire quote is italicized. It is how the forum does things. What part are you asking him about?
     
  3. Jul 20, 2012 #43 of 286
    Laxguy

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    This part:

    "Even the movies they already have in HD are first down converted to 480i and then back up to 1080i. It ain't the real thing, at least not yet."

    But I also question that all movies are upconverts.
     
  4. Jul 20, 2012 #44 of 286
    Laxguy

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    Odd, that part. Wonder why it operates differently from bolding, to which I went back and modified my earlier post?
     
  5. Jul 20, 2012 #45 of 286
    Alan Gordon

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    So far, all movies shown have been upconverts.

    As for the quote, I really can't say. Some movies' quality wouldn't surprise me...

    ~Alan
     
  6. Jul 20, 2012 #46 of 286
    Jaspear

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    Nothing official, which is why I prefaced my remarks with "I believe"; TCM has always been pretty tight lipped about the technical side of things. That said, there's this from the Wikipedia TCM entry:

    Nothing I've seen on TCM in the intervening three years indicates that anything has changed. Everything still looks up converted or down converted/up converted to me.

    Also, from an AVS Forum thread about TCM in HD from a few months ago, "Ken H" posted this:

     
  7. Jul 20, 2012 #47 of 286
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    For the record, and in this thread, when did DirecTV finally begin TCM in HD? And when did TCM first go HD? It was our #1 wish HD wish for 5 years. Thanks.
     
  8. Jul 20, 2012 #48 of 286
    tonyd79

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    From the post above yours, TCM hd launced in June 2009. Directv added it this Thursday.
     
  9. Jul 20, 2012 #49 of 286
    Laxguy

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    Tx, Jaspear, a great bit of investigative journalism!

    And, as answer to a previous question, it may be that neither DIRECTV® nor any carrier of TMC has it in HD..... but waaaay better than SD.
     
  10. Jul 20, 2012 #50 of 286
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    I'll probably get crap for this because a lot of you seem to have wanted TCM HD for a while, but as far as I'm concerned this is the biggest waste of bandwidth yet. Considering they air nearly nothing (nothing?) in HD, there is absolutely no point in adding this channel in "HD." Yes, I realize it looks far better than the SD channel simply due to the fact that it's now an MPEG-4 channel, but it seems like a useless add that should have been relatively low priority compared to some other channels that actually provide HD content.

    Besides, outside a small niche, I can't imagine this channel is even remotely popular, so I question why it was added. Cheap?
     
  11. Jul 20, 2012 #51 of 286
    tonyd79

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    I dunno. I watch HD not for the specs but for the picture quality. So, TCM looks far better. It qualifies. It is not useless. In fact, if we weren't told it was not hd source, no one, including you, would know.
     
  12. Jul 20, 2012 #52 of 286
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    TCM is a hugely popular channel.
     
  13. Jul 20, 2012 #53 of 286
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    Based upon my viewing of Forbidden Planet yesterday evening, a film which was originally in 2.55 : 1 ratio.... on the SD channel, the movie would have been shown windowboxed on my 16:9 television, with black borders on all sides (because it is a 4:3 signal). WIth the TCM HD, the movie filled the whole screen with black bars at the top and bottom only, which would have been correct for this film (16:9 is equal to 1.78:1).

    Now, I think that, for whatever reason, TCM is partial HD. The host segments appeared to be 16:9, but were windowboxed even on the HD channel. Why... I don't know....

    Is TCM one of my favorite channels? Yes, but not worth fighting over should a Viacom-type dispute occurs. Some of the movies on TCM also exist in my own personal collection of movies.
     
  14. Jul 20, 2012 #54 of 286
    tonyd79

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    Yeah. A channel that does movies from all eras in their original format, without commercials and barely repeats in any given month. Then tells you stories about the movies themselves before and after What's not to like?
     
  15. Jul 20, 2012 #55 of 286
    Laxguy

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    A-men!
    I didn't watch more than five minutes over the past ten years until a few days ago. Several top movies, more to come.
     
  16. Jul 20, 2012 #56 of 286
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    I would be stunned if TCM was "cheap". DirecTV has been sloooooowly converting available SD channels to HD. How do they determine the order? Who knows? Drawing lots? Short straw? Tossing cards down the stairs? They're probably making judgements based on how popular the channel is and how technically difficult it is to add.

    The SD version of TCM looked like ten pounds of dog crap in a five pound clear bag. I don't care if they're upconverting 400 line UK video from the early 60s. It will look better after the HD transfer.

    And those of us who appreciate old movies know that a big part of their appeal is the lighting used for monochrome production. Lighting directors spent hours getting the light levels exactly correct to create a particular mood (see: Casablanca).

    SD video on DirecTV is so compressed that these lighting subtilties were completely lost in the murky mess that encompasses all shades of gray on the SD side. Hopefully the HD upconversion will have the necessary electronic bandwidth necessary to (at least somewhat more) accurately reproduce the original motion picture.

    Of course, if you don't like old movies, who cares? :D

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    And can I say something here please? Beware, rant mode on. :rant:

    And Charlie460 I'm not aiming this at you, personally.

    During the entire debate here over the Viacom mess, a certain number of people pronounced the Viacom channels useless, wondering why DirecTV didn't try to CUT what was paid for them. Person after person pronounced sentence on one channel or judgment on another, calling it crap, wonderful, or anything in between.

    There isn't a single solitary person here (especially me) who has the right to criticize what another person likes to watch. Sure, a lot of stuff on Viacom is not aimed at rocket scientists. But the payments those folks make for that programming help to finance the rest of the channels that others like to watch. And why can't you just buy the channels that you want to watch? Have you ever tried to buy three light bulbs? If so, have you noticed that three light bulbs in individual packs usually cost more than four in one box?

    The single solitary reason that we are able to get umpty hundred channels is that these giant, mega-deals for various channels are made so they will be sold at a particular tier at a particular price.

    I don't think I've ever criticized anyone for watching a particular channel. If I have, please allow me to apologize here and now.

    This forum would be a much better place if none of us had the arrogance to pass judgement on what others like to watch....because those channels, in the long run, help to finance what we like to watch.

    Rant mode off...thanks for your tolerance.
     
  17. Jul 20, 2012 #57 of 286
    Laxguy

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    Hmmmm. May I conclude you didn't exactly care for TCM in smear-o-vision??
    :sure: :D

    The couple of B+W movies I've seen since the upgrade look very respectable. Way more than 40 shades of gray. Probably at least 256....
     
  18. Jul 20, 2012 #58 of 286
    charlie460

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    Please note that I was not trying to piss anyone off, just voicing my opinion I guess.

    It certainly does look better than the SD channel ever did, I'll give you that much.


    But I will still argue that I do not think the channel is very popular.
     
  19. Jul 20, 2012 #59 of 286
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    You didn't piss anyone off. You'd know if you did. :)

    Define popular. We are now into the niche level of channels. It is more than mired in the mud. Not as popular as espn.
     
  20. Jul 20, 2012 #60 of 286
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    No, no, no, that's fine, that's cool. You just caught me at the end of a long day and a long read of a thread where channels were getting slammed.

    I can certainly appreciate the position of those who criticize the TCM addition, saying it's not a true HD channel. Hell, I'd rather have BBC America before TCM, since it IS true HD and I watch it a lot...when I can stand the crappy video, that is.

    But the SD compression completely destroyed any enjoyment I might have had of those great old movies on TCM. And I'm just hoping the HD channel will help to solve that.

    Hell DirecTV SD doesn't even have six shades of gray, much less 40!
     
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