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The Charlie Chat Summary - June 8th, 2009

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by James Long, Jun 8, 2009.

  1. dclaryjr

    dclaryjr Godfather

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    Amen! College football isn't too far off and having ESPNU in HD would be a biggie!!
     
  2. Cardini

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    Thanks, that works out perfect.
     
  3. compubit

    compubit AllStar/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

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    I watched part of it (on replay) after reading the recap. Charlie kept emphasizing that AAD is not related to DishNetwork, and in fact AAD leases space from Echostar Communications, just like DishNetwork does.

    Of course, it's out one of Charlie's pockets and back into the other, but it does cross the counter in transit... :sure:

    Jim
     
  4. ZBoomer

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    Re PBS, I've yet to see my PBS station show anything in HD, even though they broadcast an "HD" digital signal; actually they broadcast three channels here locally. Even when they play programs recorded in HD, like concerts, they are letter/pillar-boxed; 16x9 images with black border on ALL sides, lame.

    PBS in HD on satellite would be nice, I guess, if PBS actually had any HD content.
     
  5. phrelin

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    KQED 9 in San Francisco actually produces local programming in HD as well as offer some national programming in HD. I've seen it at my daughter's as she has OTA.
     
  6. Lincoln6Echo

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    Still no date for the Cape G.-Paducah market though, considering that we were supposed to them "early '09".

    re: MS-NBC-HD Now talk about a news channel that nobody watches... what's their ratings anyway? Hell, even CNN's ratings are dropping like a rock.
     
  7. msdawg22

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    Tupelo, MS Locals, where at?
     
  8. BobaBird

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    Tupelo HD locals were uplinked 2/11 to 129°, ch 5250-5253.
     
  9. AlbuquerqueJohn

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    The next time DN steals something from TiVO or anyone else, it would be greatly appreciated by the customers who are being ripped-off if you would be certain to have programmers who can correctly develope the software for the ill-gotten good! I am SO SICK of 'pixels and crappy audio' on your beloved 722k "upgrade receiver". Whatta crock!:mad:
     
  10. djlong

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    Hey, I argued that Dish couldn't have been in violation of TiVo's patents way-back-when. The Dishplayer 7100/7200 were covered in the lawsuit and my argument was that, if Dish had violated the patent, the boxes would WORK properly.

    As a programmer with 30 years experience, Dish's programmers do NOT impress me. I waited for things to "settle down" before going HD with a pair of 612s and I look forward to the "Falcon" (if memory serves) box that will hook up to my home theater PC so I can use THAT (Windows Media center) as my DVR.
     
  11. HarveyLA

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    I second these comments. And if this isn't bad enough, Los Angeles PBS station KCET is now shown in PERMANENT LETTERBOX FORMAT in SD on Dish Network. A 16x9 program will be letterboxed the entire width of the 4x3 screen. However, standard 4x3 programs have the sides cut off as well! As a result, the video appears in a smaller "window" inside the 4x3 frame, with thick black bars on all four sides. This is intolerable to say the least. Of course you can zoom the picture in, but then it is exceedingly blurry as it is based on so few pixels. I e-mailed KCET on Wednesday (June 17) to see if they had any insight into this. No reply yet. I have added a white border to the attached photo for better visibility, showing the outline of the 4x3 LCD screen, and the "shrunken" program within.
     

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  12. Stewart Vernon

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    The thing about PBS is two-fold...

    PBS could allow Dish to put up one national PBSHD, but they don't want to do that because of the local stations' pledge drives (among other things).

    Dish might have bandwidth issues at some point if they launch PBS in all the markets, but that's probably not a concern yet.

    The local PBS stations could opt for "must carry" and be free to Dish rather than asking for Dish to pay.

    In most of the head-butting scenarios, it isn't one-sided... and local stations could get carriage quicker if they wanted.

    It'll all come down to who gives in first... and in markets now-post-digital-transition where people are actually having difficulty getting their PBS over the air now... the onus is on the local PBS to come to an agreement now more than it is for Dish.
     
  13. scooper

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    PBS stations, BY LAW, are Must Carry only - retrans consent is NOT an option for them.
     
  14. Stewart Vernon

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    I should probably have went with my gut and been more generic... as it is, I combined general OTA comments with PBS-specific ones, and screwed it up.

    Thanks for the correction.

    So it would seem in the case of PBS, the stumbling blocks are simply Dish having the bandwidth (they do for the moment in most markets I believe) and wanting to do it.

    If it isn't a money angle, Dish pushing for a national feed doesn't make as much sense as it used to, now that all (I believe all) the LiL HD is on spotbeams...

    Dish has a presence in areas already to capture other LiL OTA, so that's not an issue... and with spotbeams they can effectively use their bandwidth better than when locals were on conus.

    So now I'm stumped as to why Dish wouldn't want to add PBS in markets they already carry HD LiL.
     
  15. phrelin

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    Hmmm. My understanding is that PBS wanted money for the HD signals. I'm probably wrong.
     
  16. scooper

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    Well - AS I UNDERSTAND the law and situation - the DBS providers are not required to do "Carry one, Carry All" in HD for a couple years (2012 I think ? - correction appreciated). So, Dish is basically doing like they did when they first rolled out locals - Big 4 first, then add the rest later. In Dish's case, this why you're going to see the gradual push to Eastern Arc / Western Arc as they can get subscribers off the MPEG2 equipment and onto the MPEG4. It's all going to be a balancing act.

    Now if I'm wrong - don't hesitate to correct my mis-statements so I'm not saying misleading information.
     
  17. HarveyLA

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    http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/113031-FCC_Allows_Satellite_TV_Providers_to_Phase_In_HD.php

    "satellite broadcasters must carry TV stations' HD signals in 15% of the markets in which they carry any HD signals by Feb. 17, 2010; 30% of those by Feb. 17, 2011; 60% by Feb. 17, 2012; and 100% by Feb. 17, 2013."
     
  18. James Long

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    One must not forget the "of the markets in which they carry any HD signals" part of the rule. Fortunately DISH is adding a lot of markets in HD (and the one HD channel they carry in my market opens the door for the others) ... but under the rule they could uplink every market in SD only and still be compliant.

    It is also a case of OFFERING carriage. If the local station refuses to allow its HD feed to be carried you'll see the same holes in carriage as we do now with holdout stations (perhaps more). It will help with PBS HD ... whichis defined as must carry and can't hold out on DISH (on the local level). However they can refuse to provide the national HD feed DISH wants.
     
  19. HarveyLA

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    Post-digital transition, stations now broadcast only one feed (digital) which might or might not be HD. They can negotiate for carriage on cable or satellite but not sure if stations transmitting HD can specify HD or non-HD carriage in their contracts. Seems to me it would be all or nothing. Another interesting point, many of the smaller independent stations do not have HD, so the task of carrying all HD in a market might not be as formidable as it seems.
     

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