The Corona Virus, What Will We Lose When It Ends?

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  1. jimmie57

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    Yes it is exposing what idiots we have that are supposed to be running our country. I sure hope that people that live close to them will vote them out of office as soon as possible.
    Being confined is much more likely to get / spread the virus.
     
  2. James Long

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    I wish they wouldn't make such threats. I understand the intent is to convince people to behave better, but it triggers the rebellious and sensitive souls. It also reminds me of when a parent threatens to leave their child in a store if they don't behave. Really?

    From whom?
     
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  4. trh

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    The news tonight was talking tonight about a second wave of COVID-19.

    I think they are correct.

    I also noticed two countries that are hot spots right now are Russia and Brazil. Guess two countries that we don't ban travel from? (Ban or require testing/quarantine when entering).
     
  5. Rich

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    "Essential" construction never stopped. Not sure what "essential" means in this case. My fence company closed but a new Chick-Fil-A, which was under construction before the virus hit, kept getting built. But this is NJ, strange things happen here.

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    We (NJ and NY) have been told if this happens here the protocols go into effect again. That would start the process all over again. I don't think our governors are kidding about this.

    I'm getting to the point where I'm starting to think wearing masks is the most important thing we can do. I'm pretty sure most folks want to see the masks go away but I would not be surprised to see the states make them mandatory when outside. We're now being "asked" to wear masks in our recently reopened parks.

    I keep thinking about beaches. If everyone on the beach was masked would distancing be necessary?

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  7. billsharpe

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    That doesn't make sense. We've been mostly sheltering in place for two months now. We haven't caught anything yet and even if if had how could we spread it if we're staying at home.
     
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    NYC is/was fining people for crowding. Today I read the mayor is threatening to fence off the beaches if he finds people in the water. No lifeguards on the beaches, no swimming. Those beaches on the ocean can be very dangerous.

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  9. jimmie57

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    You are sheltered in place but I feel certain you do go out to the grocery store or similar locations at least once per week.
    I have to get me and my son something to eat every day, I get food at Walmart once per week or 10 days, get gas once per month. I do wear my mask when I am out of the car. I consider myself sheltered in place as much as possible. I have my tax refund and my stimulus checks that I have not deposited because it is not really necessary right now.

    If you are inside with others, which I am with my son, I could go out and get it and come home and give it to him. If there were several in the house I could possibly give it to all of them since we would be close together and breathing the same air.
    An example of that is Nursing homes, hospitals, etc. All places where if one gets it and they are breathing the same, possibly infected air, the infection would spread faster than those same people being out in a park or at the beach.

    Outside you have a lot of air that is hopefully not contaminated.
     
  10. Rich

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    I wonder if the folks that are in assisted living places are all masked all the time. I kinda doubt that. If they don't do that...well, if what I read was true, in NJ and NY at least half of the fatalities can be tied to assisted living facilities.

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  11. trh

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    So it isn't the confinement that is going to be 'more likely to get/spread' the virus, but when you go out. To take care of the necessities.

    What they did in Wuhan was mandated no one could go out. You ordered your food/medicine online and then somebody wearing a hazmat suit delivered the goods (we have a friend whose daughter lives there). They were in confinement.

    But if you minimize your exposure, then you statistically minimize your risks. My wife doesn't like to plan meals ahead of time. And she has to drive by the grocery store on her way home from work. So we were going to the grocery store usually five times per week, and sometimes six and seven. No we going about every 10 days. Don't go near anyone. Masks on. Hand sanitizer before getting back in the car.

    Have you tried depositing your checks via a mobile app? Most banks have a smart-phone app where you take a picture of the front and back of the check and you can make your deposits that way. Just a thought.

    Stay safe.
     
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    We have a dear friend in a NY assisted living facility. She's required to wear a mask any time she leaves her suite and any time an employee has to come into her suite. Meals are left at her door. No visitors are allowed of course...
     
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    Around here they have posted limits on how many people can be on a site at a time...
     
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    Exactly. The first week of "confinement" in my area had non-essential stores closed and "essential" stores at reduced hours. Stores were sanitizing the carts between customers but the CDC recommendation at the time was "no mask required" - which meant only a few people who were smarter than the CDC were wearing masks. Reducing store hours meant more people at the same time. The rush to by supplies meant more people at the same time. Few had learned social distancing (some still have that problem).

    Any statistical spike that occurred during the first week or two of confinement should take in to account the full picture. Sure "confined" people got infected - who wasn't officially confined in those areas? There was no control group. And with symptoms and testing lagging behind the actual time of infection the first week people probably were infected before confinement.
     
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    I think there are plenty of governors who are over reaching - especially Democratic ones. You can throw democratic mayors in that category also.

    Damn right I'd be in the water daring them to come get me.

    I don't even HAVE a mask yet. Even if / when I get one - I won't use it unless mandatory. Mask use outside in Kansas would be a joke - the wind is ALWAYS blowing. But the dumbest thing you see when shopping is people with them on - off their nose and usually their mouth. If you're sick enough that you think you need a mask - then WTF are you doing out shopping at all ?!?!?!
     
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    The swimming prohibitions are a municipal liability issue more than a COVID-19 issue. With no life guards on duty, no swimming is allowed. It's that simple and the rules were in place long before today's health issue.
     
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  18. James Long

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    That is why I am constantly saying "a correctly worn mask". I see people who are required to wear a mask by their employers wearing masks incorrectly. Not being enforced as a term of employment. Either people don't know what they are doing, don't care or are afraid to confront someone (even a fellow employee) not correctly wearing a mask.

    We had that problem internally at work. People were not wearing their required masks correctly. Others complained through management and clearer instructions were sent out - including the instruction to confront people not wearing their mask correctly. More businesses need to send that notice to their employees.

    Don't get me started about thin cloth masks that provide no protection. All for show.

    It would be a liability for the owner of the water. At a state run beach it would be the state's liability - but if the state closes their beach the pressure moves to any county, city or private beach that remains open. The few places that take the liability will be overrun by the people pushed out by other places. (A municipal pool would own access to that water and be liable. A private pool would have the same liability.)

    If the responsible party opens a beach but bans swimming are they required to provide life guards? Someone dies - can they say "we told you not to swim" and not suffer in court?

    While sunlight seems to be an effective disinfectant I am concerned with the other facilities. Beaches usually have restrooms and changing rooms. Unless people don't swim or wear wet swimsuits home and go home to use the restroom we have natural "hot spots" for people to be close together outside of the sunlight. But any swimming would mean either lifeguards or swim at your own risk with a PR or legal hit when someone dies.
     
  19. Rich

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    We can only hope all assisted living facilities are following the protocols. Living like that has to be an ordeal. Like being in jail. Solitary confinement. Sad. My MIL just died in an assisted living facility a couple of years ago. Four daughters and she ended up in one of those places. Sad.

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    I on't disagree with you at all, but that's the rationale that's been given for the enforcement threats for swimming at the municipal, state, retc, beaches where it's been prohibited.
     

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