The Corona Virus, What Will We Lose When It Ends?

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  1. NYDutch

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    I think what's most interesting about the graphic is how fast COVID-19 rose to the top of the chart. I thought it was pretty clear that it wasn't intended to be inclusive of all manner of deaths.
     
  2. trh

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    One of the footnotes to that graphic tells it all:

    "Except COVID, causes of death shown account for ~7% of global deaths annually."

    So 93% missing?
     
  3. jimmie57

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    CNBC just said the FDA now is not permitting the use of the Malaria drug for treating Covid. ?????????????
    Strange since so many swear that they would be dead had they not taken it.

    Edit: There is a lot of contradiction as to what this means.





    I also read that if a person tests positive, to be cleared they must test negative 2 times. Let's say for an example a person gets tested 10 times before getting a negative result. Do you know that every time that person tested positive it is counted just like a person that tests positive the first time. Bottom line he would count as 10 positives on the charts.
     
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  4. James Long

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    The numbers I have been following are "Confirmed Cases" ... not the number of positive tests but the number of people who have tested positive over the lifetime of the virus. The same applies for "Deaths". The person isn't counted multiple times if the medical examiner looks at the body again and says "yep, still dead".
     
  5. inkahauts

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    It does show it ain’t the flu...
     
  6. Mark Holtz

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    From The Mary Sue (from April) in regards to why conferences and such are holding off on cancelling events until the last minute:

    Why Cons Are Waiting for a Legal “Act of God” Before Canceling
    FULL ARTICLE HERE
     
  7. steve053

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    Reminds me of an experience with an airline ten years ago. Were to fly out at 6ish AM on a snowy February morning for a family beach vacation. Delay after delay, multiple flights cancelled, but they wouldn't cancel the charter flight. Made us wait until 5 PM when the airport finally shut down for the day. "Fortunately" for the vacation company that chartered the flight they didn't have to offer hotel rooms as they didn't cancel the flight as they were unable to take off due to the airport closure. They adhered to the letter of the regulation rather than cater to the their customers. We were close enough that we could spend the night at home, but there were a lot of angry and unhappy people at that gate. Needless to say we've never used that agency again.
     
  8. Mark Holtz

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    It almost sounds like the cancellation policies of a cruise line. An example for Celebrity Cruise lines is below:

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    This is the second major reason why I always take travel insurance when I book a cruise, and the insurance is through a third party (namely AAA), not through the cruise line.
     
  9. peano

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    And that Malaria is a not too distant second place.
     
  10. James Long

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    Malaria isn't global ... so for most ethnocentric Americans it is an "other people's problem".

    It annoys me when I see skewed data. My state (Indiana) found out that there was a flaw in their testing data. A lab doing the testing was only reporting positive results to the government - which raised the percent positive.

    Quarantine fatigue is setting in and people have been taking more risks. Every contradictory statement is an excuse for people to take more chances. I hope the hospitals can keep up.
     
  11. peano

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    They can keep up now. Hospitals have (or should have) plenty of ventilators and PPE and I think better therapies. I had quarantine fatigue about 2 months ago. Flattening the curve is prolonging the ultimate result. You will be exposed eventually. People need to realize that. Young people are hardly affected. The vulnerable need to be cautious and protected.
     
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  12. James Long

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    covid0625-confirmed.png
    Red: 5 day average - Blue: 30 day average - Green: average since 3/21

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  13. phrelin

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    From At Least 18 Members Of One Family Have The Coronavirus After A Surprise Birthday Party is a pix of dear old dad:

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    The sister, who is going through chemotherapy for breast cancer, has been released from the hospital, and mom, age 86, might be released soon. But they're searching in Texas for, and having trouble locating, a convalescent plasma match for dad, 88.

    Killing dad could really screw up the memories of the fun had by all. Sis, mom, and dad should have been smart enough to stay home. The rest of them just screwed up the Texas numbers.
     
  14. James Long

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    I am concerned for July 4th. My wife and I are going to see her parents and family. They live in an area that has not seen a spike in cases. We live in the #3 county in Indiana where over 1% of residents have tested positive. I am getting the same argument as I got when I visited my family for Memorial Day - "No one in the family is sick, come join us." Yeah, invite someone from one of the spike counties to a "family dinner" style meal. (Close seating, food set up buffet style in the kitchen.)

    Memorial Day was in Michigan where gatherings of 10 were allowed at the time. I believe 12 were present and I worried for the next two weeks (not because of the body count, but because of the expanded social contact). My parents are both dead so no extremely elderly people to worry about for Memorial Day but July 4th will be with older people. As with the story above, we don't want to miss the party or spoil it -- but really, there are concerns.

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    (30 day average curves - scaled to make the worst day for each line 100% of each curve)
     
  15. James Long

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  16. Rich

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    A "balanced opening". Why is that so hard for people to wrap their minds around? Why does a balanced opening have to include bars? Why would anyone expect anything but a crowded bar with no masks being worn? The only things we really have going for us are social distancing and wearing masks. Can we really expect to see that in any bar in any state?

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    After this weekend - I drew the conclusion that whole coronavirus thing is to just panic the general population to "control them". Well - as of yesterday - I don't believe any agency (especially the CDC) nor any political leader at any level about saying anything to do with this. We have been whipsawed with confusing and inconsistent messages and I refuse to take any of this seriously any more. People are going to catch it (no matter what we try to do), and people are going to die ( at much lower rates than we have been led to believe). I'm going maskless as much as I can and I will deal with people who try to say otherwise where it is not necessary (IN MY OPINION). I may not even bother with social distancing any more if any Karen-like attitudes come up to me. IOW - leave me alone., if you bother me I will be a total a**hole to whomever is bothering me.
     
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  18. James Long

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    As long as you don't claim that your civil rights are being violated if some store owner asks you leave for not wearing a mask and you stay out of other people's faces go live your life. But this is becoming a battle over who's freedoms are more important than another person's freedoms. And that probably will turn political.


    I believe my favorite rant I heard was someone who said the government was trying to get people to stand six feet apart so the new 5G network could scan who they were and track them better than if they were in a closer packed crowd. Forget TP, the country is going to run out of tinfoil for all the hats!
     
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  19. scooper

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    I'm avoiding such establishments where possible - which basically means I go to the county just south of mine for any grocery shopping for now. Until our county chief executive pulls his head out, I will be boycotting any stores in my county (only exception will be the Sam's club where we fill our prescriptions from).

    Edit 1242 (CDT) 6/30/2020 - And now our governor is imposing this masking crap statewide starting FRIDAY, with more details to come THURSDAY. Although I doubt the legality of this action.
     
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  20. steve053

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    Darn near spit out my coffee after reading that! LOL
     

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