The Corona Virus, What Will We Lose When It Ends?

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  1. Rich

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    "You all"? Who told you that? At a thousand deaths a day that's pretty easy to see.

    Yeah, we should all get the flu shots this year. I've seen a couple of doctors talking about that, it can't hurt.

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    I saw it again the other day. One-third of our population will not take the vaccine if it ever appears. Over one hundred million people. IIRC, info comes from polls. Unbelievable. We just went thru a resurgence of measles and the blame for that has been put on people that won't vaccinate. Themselves or their families.

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  3. billsharpe

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    I'm not happy with staying at home, but I haven't had a cold since February. I usually get two or three each year since I retired 30 years ago. I got more when I was working.
     
  4. Phil T

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    I have been retired 10 years. Since retiring I very seldom get sick, just an occasional cold. I am afraid with all the staying at home that our immune systems will go wacky and when/if we do get back to normal we will start getting all kinds of stuff.
     
  5. scooper

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    I have not been staying at home any more than I was before. The biggest things I've missed is movie theaters and eating out more at the start. I DO hate wearing the masks to go into a business, so I delay putting it on until I'm close to the entrance, and it comes off as soon as I step outside the exit door (if I have hands free).
     
  6. Rich

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    I have a 12-year-old in the house that spreads the joy a couple times a year. She's not going to school this year. Makes me happy. Schools seem to be a breeding place for colds.

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    Wow. All the complaining about masks and you end up doing almost exactly the same thing I do with the masks. Have you ever had a job where you had to wear a mask in certain conditions? That's when you really begin to "hate" masks. We couldn't have beards or sideburns or mustaches because we might have to put on a mask at any time. On top of that, if we had to don masks we usually had to put on in Tyvek suits, suits that don't breathe.

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  8. billsharpe

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    You can get fined in Santa Monica for not wearing a mask. I don't know about the enforcement but about half the people I see on the streets aren't wearing them. Some have them hanging around their neck. Most stores won't let you in without one.
     
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  10. scooper

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    You know how fast I would tear that ticket up ?
     
  11. phrelin

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    I just don't get it. IMHO government's job is to first protect all persons from harm resulting from intentional acts of others. The only risk from not wearing masks is to others, not to the barefaced. If the barefaced is infected it is like wondering around firing a gun randomly into the crowd. Maybe you kill or injure someone, maybe you don't. Since it is impossible for the barefaced to know for certain they aren't infected, they are intentionally risking causing harm to others. What don't I understand in the context of government protecting all persons from the intentional harm from others?
     
  12. compnurd

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    That’s gonna suck when you don’t know where to send the fine and then you have a warrant for your arrest
     
  13. scooper

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    I have no intentions of paying any fine like that. and I'll give them our mayor / governors name and address.
     
  14. scooper

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    IF the odds of catching it were 50% (and not the .3% in my high risk county) AND it was 25% or more fatal (that number is more like 2-5% - maybe ! ) MAYBE the mask mandate might make sense. But outside, in Kansas, with no crowd , and the normal breeze blowing - it makes zero sense - less than zero actually. You might actually be converting your allergy symptoms into a bacteriallogical infection.
     
  15. phrelin

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    As someone who lived in Kansas for a year, I wouldn't disagree. But your comment was on a link about the City of Santa Monica which has a population density of 10,761 people per square mile, located in Los Angeles County which is the most populous county in the United States with more than ten million inhabitants half of whom think they should go barefaced to the Santa Monica beaches all at once.

    This is why sometimes I think we are not one country.
     
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  16. James Long

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    That is one reason why The White House wanted mandates to come from the states. The states can decide whether or not their level of infections and deaths need a mandate. In Indiana the governor left it up to the counties until the infection and death rates became too high to ignore.

    Kansas has an infection rate of 1.133%, Indiana has an infection rate of 1.168% (30th and 29th in confirmed per person).
    Kansas has lost 13.87 people per 100k population, Indiana has lost 46.24 per 100k. 42th and 15th in deaths.
    Kansas was removed from the City of Chicago's travel ban list but is on track to be readded this week.
    Missouri remains on the City of Chicago travel ban list.

    Kansas City, KS, is in Wyandotte County (across the river from the more famous Kansas City).
    Wyandotte Co has an infection rate of 3.221% (worse than LA county's 2.2% and worse than any state). So far there have been 64.68 deaths per 100k population (worse than LA county's 52.34 per 100k). Wyandotte County's infection rate is twice that of their neighbor across the river and the death rate is more than four times greater. 107 people have died in Wyandotte County - more than the 66 that have died in the more populated Kansas City, MO!

    My county in Indiana is below the state average in deaths but has a confirmed case rate of 2.447%. Better than Florida, Arizona and Louisiana but not better than any other state.
     
  17. inkahauts

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    Did you read when that ticket applies? Based on what you have said about when you are currently wearing a mask you’d never get the ticket in the first place...

    It even specially states conditions where you don’t need one if your sitting in one place and no one is within six feet of you that doesn’t live with you. You know, like sun bathing at the beach....

    If you are using common sense and wearing it in situations where it makes sense to have one and wear it then you’ll never get a ticket.

    This is for the idiots who don’t wear one ever....
     
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    The White House should have worked with Heath people to come up with plans and numbers to give guidance to states and cities as to what situations should and do warrant suggested vs mandated masks. And even under certain conditions mandate them at the federal level. That would have been logical though.
     
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  19. scooper

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    Yep - That's where I live - KC K / Wyandotte County. We have a Unified Government for both the city and county, 3 public school districts (KCK, Turner, and Piper). Most of those deaths occurred early and in long term care facilities (before everybody knew better). Inspite of those rates - yes, I do go without masks as much as possible, as do most people. Most restaurants have limited seating, but also carryout and / or drivethrough. Most other businesses are open, with masking / public distancing, biggest exceptions being bars. Even the casinos are open to some extent (I've never been to one).
     
  20. Rich

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    I'm seeing more and more outdoor dining. For the most part, on blacktop parking lots. Diners seem to be doing well. Most bars have outdoor facilities now. Some permanent, mostly tents. I see a lot of people eating/drinking in these places, during the day on blacktop parking lots. It's been very hot this summer and that doesn't seem to have much effect on people wanting to literally "eat-out". The bars with outdoor areas intrigue me, I'd love to sit down and have a beer outside in a pleasant place...

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