The Corona Virus, What Will We Lose When It Ends?

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  1. James Long

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    255k people dead ... third leading cause of death in the US. It probably won't beat the top two other causes this year but the facts show that it certainly is more than an acorn bopping one chicken on the head.

    1.3 million dead worldwide - a global pandemic (although the US has more than our fair share). The fall increases we are seeing are also being seen in many other countries. Of course, the US remains at the top of the list.
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    There's always some anti-science folks around that won't face facts and take appropriate actions for their own and others safety.
     
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    If you can SHOW ME that it actually does good to wear a mask outdoors, not in a crowd of people you don't know, and same goes for riding a motorcycle or driving in your own car with no strangers onboard, You might have a start. Until then - I will not be wearing a mask in those conditions - mask goes on as I'm entering a building / business and comes off as I'm exiting. Regardless of any mask mandates - and if they decide to be real pricks about it - maybe not even then, regardless of the perceived risk to others when I'm not sick.
     
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    I think it's pretty obvious that wearing a mask when others are not in the area isn't necessary. I'm not aware of any mask mandates that require it under those conditions. Unless you can come up with a foolproof way of being sure you're not asymptomatic and transmitting the virus unknowingly, I'd think you'd want to follow the recommendations to protect yourself as well others. Admittedly limited research so far, but there's some indications that even post infection immunity does not necessarily mean the person can't still spread the virus.
     
  5. James Long

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    I hope the "mask mandates" do not get to the level scooper suggests. I'm not going to say that some "Barney Fife" somewhere won't say something in one of those situations - there is a problem with police integrity in this country - but examples of people outdoors not in a crowd being harassed by police are notable by their rarity. The police in my area have pointedly noted that they will not enforce mask ordinances put in place by county or state health departments and have left enforcement to said departments. The sky isn't falling for those who fear enforcement.

    All we need to do is be civil toward each other. Thank you for wearing your mask indoors and around strangers.


    Good News: The CDC (after their usual long delay to be scientific) has noted that wearing masks can give some protection to the mask wearer. I hope that encourages some of the "I'm not sick" crowd that refuse to wear masks to protect themselves (and, if only by accident, others).

    Good News: The first vaccinations (delayed by scientific testing) will be distributed in about two weeks. It appears there are at least three very effective vaccines that will be available this year. Perhaps if we threw out the science there would have been vaccines sooner - but the non-working vaccine candidates have been eliminated and people should feel confident about receiving this vaccine. Or not. Your choice if the vaccine is offered to you.

    Bad News: A lot of people are willing to risk their lives for temporary happiness. Part of the American experience - but this time the risk is more literal.
     
  6. Mark Holtz

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    From my perspective, the best way to avoid contacting this Covid disease is to not interact with people. That means you stay at home and not go out. Reality, however, dictates otherwise. So, you wear a face covering mostly to prevent the water droplets from what you exhale from spreading around. What you inhale is secondary.

    Having said that, I really wish people would get off my case if I elect to wear a face covering while driving solo in my car. I may be hitting several retail stores in a row on US-75, and I'm trying to minimize the contact of my hands to my face. Instead, focus your criticism on those who think that the parking lot, fields, and streams are legitimate disposal places for face masks. (Hint: They are not!)
     
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    Now that's something I agree with. Masks disposed of in such a fashion is simple littering.
     
  8. James Long

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    I wear mine between stops. Sometimes I forget to take it off. I'm sure there are people who think I'm odd because the mask goes on before I get out of the car until after I'm back inside. But I have had no confrontations and it compensates for those who pull off their masks the second that they are outside of the store.

    As far as the people indoors not wearing masks - I avoid them as much as possible.

    I have seen a few discarded masks ... noticeable because they are masks but in my experience not any more commonly discarded than other trash.
     
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    There's one town in South Dakota with a mask mandate that most people are following. That town has very few Covid cases. The rest of the state is a disaster.
     
  10. Mark Holtz

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    From AP via Yahoo Sports:

    No QBs in Denver, no home for SF as COVID-19 sows NFL chaos
    FULL ARTICLE HERE

    From NFL:

    49ers working on relocating games, practice after new COVID-19 order bans all recreational activities
    FULL ARTICLE HERE

    From ESPN:

    Contact sports ban leaves San Francisco 49ers, other Bay Area teams in limbo
    FULL ARTICLE HERE
     
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    From NFL:

    Broncos to face Saints without QB Drew Lock, both backups after all were deemed high-risk contacts
    FULL ARTICLE HERE

    Per the SiriusXM schedule, the Saints feed will be on channel 381, while the Broncos will be on channel 225.
     
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    Can't believe they didn't postpone the game. It was a shxx show. I guess they only postpone big market games and ones with contending teams for the TV $$$.
     
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    I agree. I have been staying at least 6 feet away from anybody and everybody except my wife since March. Except when I have flown, which is 6 times now. Its interesting that sitting on a crowded plane does not seem to spread the virus at a higher rate.
     
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    James Long

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    I thought there was a study that showed the actual flight was reasonably safe (as long as the air circulation was working on the plane). Here is what the CDC has to say:
    "Air travel requires spending time in security lines and airport terminals, which can bring you in close contact with other people and frequently touched surfaces. Most viruses and other germs do not spread easily on flights because of how air circulates and is filtered on airplanes. However, social distancing is difficult on crowded flights, and sitting within 6 feet of others, sometimes for hours, may increase your risk of getting COVID-19." [source]

    Pre-thanksgiving the guidance was to wear a mask, remain in your seat (no bathroom trips or wandering about the plane) and of course don't travel if you are sick or don't need to make the trip. The reports I saw leading up to Thanksgiving seemed to be more concerned with the airport lines than the plane time.
     
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    James Long

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    December 2019 (their bad headline) ... but yes, signs that at least a variant of the virus was in the wild before the major outbreak in Wuhan.

    Research published on Monday revealed that 39 blood samples taken between December 13 and 16 last year in California, Oregon and Washington state had tested positive for Covid antibodies, meaning the people who gave them had been infected weeks earlier.

    The evidence is the earliest trace so far of the virus on US soil, and a further 67 samples from between December 30 and January 17 tested positive in Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Rhode Island and Wisconsin.

    It adds to a growing body of proof that the virus had spread thousands of miles outside of China long before its existence was acknowledged. Scientists in Italy say they now have proof the virus was there in September 2019, traces of it were found in Brazil in November, a French hospital patient had it in his lungs in December, and the virus was present in sewage in Spain in January.

    It appears the oldest trace of COVID-19 was in Italy ... an area which was hard hit by the virus which was thought to have spread from China. China's first known (unreported) cases were a couple of months later in November.
     
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    phrelin

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    As you may or may not have read, California is moving into a significant lockdown, at this point based on when in a county the vacant ICU beds falls to 15% or lower. I have been graphing the situation for my own edification and California was doing well, but on November 9 I posted one graph with a succinct "Oh, oh..." Here's where we are today:

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    I don't see any relief from this in the next month even with a drastic shutdown. The hospitalization climb this time began at the end of October. While I'm sure Thanksgiving (and Christmas/New Years) will assure its continuation, I'm also sure it began because the state and counties opened up and people just couldn't follow the behavioral guidelines which was predictable.

    A news story caught my eye that you might appreciate University of Idaho student's journal from 1918 flu pandemic 'frighteningly relevant today'
     
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    It will Never END --based on current practice
     

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