The Corona Virus, What Will We Lose When It Ends?

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  1. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Gold Club DBSTalk Club

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    No apology needed.
    "People who have been fully vaccinated can resume activities that they did prior to the pandemic." CDC
     
  2. SledgeHammer

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    There was a clip on CNN about a doctors post that went viral. She is in Alabama and she said she had a healthy young person come in with a severe Covid infection that was begging for the vaccine as they were being intubated. She obviously had to say "too late now". A few days later as she called time of death, the family was crying saying they thought the whole thing was a political hoax.

    So yeah, I'll go with scooper on this one. If you refuse to get the vaccine, ymmv.

    All I'll say is that the spike in conspiracy theorists is "fairly recent" ;). Everybody wanted to get the polio vaccine, the flu vaccine, chicken pox, measles, etc.

    I wonder if these people would jump on a HIV vaccine or a cancer vaccine?
     
  3. James Long

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    I drafted a well thought out response but DBSTalk is not a political forum. Suffice it to say that I don't see mistrust of the government as a recent problem. This is not the place to discuss when a "spike" occurred.

    ("The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." Ronald Reagan, August 12, 1986.)
     
  4. Mark Holtz

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    If someone comes up to me and asks "Is it over?", the answer I have to give is "No, not by a long shot." I do believe that things are getting better, but we are still going to see the long term effects, including economic effects, for years to come. The supply chain and logistics are still hiccupping. They still require masks on planes and trains. Some places are still enforcing a reduced capacity. The "six weeks to flatten the curve" has turned into eighteen months and counting. And some businesses simply could not survive.

    They say hindsight is 20/20. It will be interesting to note what worked, and what didn't work. That won't happen for another few years.
     
  5. SledgeHammer

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    Have you ever seen the movie Idiocracy? Covid will end up having a similar (but opposite) effect. Hopefully.

    There HAS been some positive stuff to come out of Covid.

    "The Great Resignation" for one. Many folks have been escaping their "abusers". Many companies that previously wouldn't consider WFH people have now opened up to that, so people like myself were able to switch from "F-" companies to "A+" companies. Not only on salary, but bonuses, benefits, class of co-workers/managers, treatment of employees, etc. Oh yeah, and of course, actual success of the company :D. You can always spot a "great" company when the managers are extremely arrogant, but the company is not successful by any measurable metric :rolleyes:.
     
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  6. James Long

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    I am starting to see a rebound at work. One person told a coworker friend that they were bored at home. Now everyone is suspect. Management wants to see butts in seats. Any question of productivity is turned in to if an at home person is motivated and monitored as well as an at office person.

    The double edge sword of being 100% at home is anyone else can do the job 100% at home. Perhaps someone living in a cheaper city or better time zone for after hours? There can be a benefit for the employed if the job pool is limited to those who could show up in person.

    I agree that more businesses have embraced 100% work from home. But I see a rebound coming.
     
  7. SledgeHammer

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    Well, don't get me wrong, I'd rather be in an office. Although it would take some getting used to after almost 2 yrs lol. Couldn't wear sweats all day lol.

    I'm a software engineer, so we have daily stand up meetings where you have to state what you're working on / progress, etc. Plus your status shows up on Slack lol. Would be hard for a slacker (no relationship to Slack) to hide for long.

    At my ex-employer we had SO MANY slackers it was unbelievable. We had 3 or 4 guys who would walk around all day hitting on chicks, we had a group of people who would hang out in the breakroom all day, take 10 smoke breaks, 2 hour lunches, come in late, leave early. We had a guy who would watch movies at his desk all day, one day after he went home, his movie started playing loudly for some reason and he got fired the next day. One aisle over from my group was another group. They were the WORST. The 2 guys would stand around chatting for 2 - 3 hours a day. The girl in that group was also a chatter box. She'd randomly bring over other girls from various groups and they'd chat for an hour or 2. One time she literally had 10 people at her desk hooping and hollering. We also had a manager who would make obscene personal phone calls ALL DAY (literally for 8 hrs), work on all his personal projects, etc.

    I've told some people about all the stuff that the slackers did there and they don't believe it. They ask "a manager made offensive personal phone calls in a loud booming voice for 8 hours a day for 15 yrs? And nobody complained and he never got fired? Yeah right!" -- well, it's true... and yes people complained all the time, but the director didn't care since that was his drinking buddy. Finally a few years ago, I guess some higher ups got wind of "phone guy" so they held a gun to the directors head to finally cut him lose.

    Another obvious point was that the director COULDN'T care... he was cheap as .... so if he fired all the slackers, there would be very few people left and he (still) can't fill any open reqs because he doesn't want to pay people or give bonuses and the benefits there are non existent. So he has to allow slackers lol.
     
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    An article up on TMZ today is reporting that NFL coach Rick Dennison got fired today because he refused the vaccine. This was following a report yesterday that the NFL has instituted HEAVY fines if a team has a covid outbreak or causes any issues due to lack of vaccination. I don't watch sports, but I'm glad to see the NFL is taking this stance and fired him. He's in a close quarters job, near the public, etc. Hope to see more companies and industries take this hard line stance so we can finally get rid of this thing!
     
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    Last fall the NFL redefined "face mask penalty". Fans want sports where their teams play their games.
     
  10. Mark Holtz

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    From ESPN:

    Rick Dennison out as Minnesota Vikings assistant after refusing COVID-19 vaccine, sources say
    FULL ARTICLE HERE

    From NFL:

    NFL informs clubs that COVID-19 outbreaks among unvaccinated players could lead to forfeited games
    FULL ARTICLE HERE
     
  11. Kamui

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    people will stop use internet a lot. I can not say that I was so addict to internet but use it for work. Plus often use phone and call recorder app during income calls from partners.
     
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  12. scooper

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    Complete sentances please ?
     
  13. Aug 1, 2021 #1033 of 1147
    SledgeHammer

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    I'm REALLY glad to see all these companies jumping on the "you MUST be vaccinated to work here" policies. I hope more and more aspects of society and life join in to the point where anti-vaxxers are pretty much confined to a corner of their moms basements and have to get their food delivered by people in hazmat suits. Well, either that or the virus will take care of them. Getting pretty ridiculous to see the vaccination stalled at 48%.

    Then again, a few NFLers have given up lucrative jobs after STILL refusing to get the vaccine.

    Hopefully after we get rid of the virus, they'll start working on a vaccine for stupidity :D.
     
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    I am the opposite as usual.
    I never take a flu shot or any other kind of shot for preventing diseases.
    ( I will be 78 at the end of this month )

    I do not believe the companies making this mandatory are on the right side of the law. A company does not have the right to ask for your medical history as a condition of employment.

    Have you read any of the latest about the people that are vaxed are piling up in the hospitals? One of the north eastern states said that 74% of the people in the hospitals are fully vaccinated.( Don't use Google to search for it, they censor the heck out of any talk about vaccine problems ).
    Link: CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated (msn.com)

    Getting a vaccine is a choice. I do not tell anyone to get it or not. My daughter had it. She was sick for 3 days after that with the first one and the booster. After the booster she noticed that her pulse rate had seriously gone up ( from the 70's to over 140 ). Her apple watch alerted her about the high pulse rate.
    She had several tests done to see what was wrong with her heart.
    Found nothing.
    One day we discussed other things that might cause that. I reminded her that when she was teaching zumba that she had elevated pulse reading way back then. She has not taught that in years now.
    I told her that all that exercise back then was to supply oxygen to her muscles.
    What if she is not getting enough oxygen ? She checked her oxygen using a finger oximeter and found it to be less than 90.
    She went to her allergist. They prescribed her a once a day inhaler and gave her a zpack to take. In 2 days her pulse rate is in the 70's again and her oxygen content is 98 most all the time. This all happened about a month ago and she is still fine today.

    I will not engage in a running argument over this.

    Be well.
     
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    Mark Holtz

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    My workplace is going to a hybrid work environment. My manager is aware that I do want to return to a workplace for several personal reasons.
     
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    SledgeHammer

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    I've had the standard childhood immunizations. I've never had a flu shot and rarely, if ever, get sick. I did get the vaccine as soon as I was able to for the simple reason that the flu isn't serious while Covid is. No, I'm not anti-vaxxer for not getting the flu shot, I just never had a need to get it.

    As for the Covid vaccine, first one I had no issues, second one felt slightly "under the weather" the next day for 1/2 a day, no biggie.

    Yes, some fully vaccinated folks are getting the virus, but symptoms are less severe.

    I'll also agree with you on one thing you said... why should my company have access to my personal stuff? There are laws to protect your privacy so companies don't discriminate against people with medical conditions. However, in this particular case, the medical condition is a highly infectious disease with possibly fatal consequences.

    So while I don't think a company should be able to discriminate against somebody with a heart condition or even HIV since that is only transmissible through ways you shouldn't be doing at work lol... I'm fine with companies discriminating against people with Covid.

    Would you want to work in an office with Covid or Ebola?
     
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    SledgeHammer

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    I'd rather go into an office to be honest, so I can get out of the house, but my new job is fully remote. Quiet honestly, at my last job, people would show up with flu, etc. So people need to be more responsible and considerate of other peoples health.
     
  18. Aug 1, 2021 #1038 of 1147
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    Really? Then why on average do twice as many US children birth though age 17 die from the flu each year (600+) than from the first 18 months of COVID-19 (335)? Seems pretty serious to that age group. Might want to re-think your flu shot aversion to protect the most vulnerable.

    Have you had a titer test lately to see if you're still protected against measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, chicken pox et al? If not, are you a danger to those around you and should your employer mandate you be vaccinated or re-vaccinated?

    Over the last two decades there were real concerns of an avian flu outbreak, with worldwide estimates of up to 50 million deaths. To protect everyone should we mandate avian flu vaccination?
     
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    That MA "spike" was in ONE city (high tourist) where the residents had a high vax rate, but maybe not the tourists so much.

    Overall - over 95% of hospitalizations and over 99% of the deaths are from non-vaccinated people. Chew on that one. Breakthrough cases are in the sub 1% area, and so are vaccine related side effects / hospitalizations. This 1% is what is getting played up by antivaxxers.
     
  20. Aug 1, 2021 #1040 of 1147
    SledgeHammer

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    Because you're trying to spin the numbers (not very well btw) to fit your narrative. 25,000 - 62,000 deaths from the flu in a year vs. over 4M in the same timeframe from Covid.

    The r0 of the flu is about 0.9 - 1.2 depending on the source, while the r0 of Covid (Delta) is 9.5 according to the CDC which makes it one of the most contagious diseases in the world behind the measles.

    Also, the flu is not considered a pandemic. Neither are any of the other diseases you brought up.

    50M? Lol... where did you read that? Hardly any people have died from avian flu. You also left out the part about how bird flu isn't transmitted from human-to-human. **IF** it ever mutates to be transmissible (and that's a big if), the worst case estimate is maybe 7M deaths and since it's not transmissible human to human, that's a made up fantasy number.

    If avian flu ever mutates to become human transmissible, yes, I would support "discrimination" against people who refuse to get vaccinated for avian flu.

    Just like I support banning smoking in offices, airplanes, indoor venues, etc.

    I'm also fine with companies "discriminating" against people with face tattoos, body modifications, serious/violent criminal offenses, etc.

    Have you been on a job interview recently? Most companies have been doing behavioral interviews for years now to weed out the people who don't know how to behave properly in a work environment. Thus "discriminating" against rude people. Are you against "discriminating" against rude people in the workplace?

    I changed my job in Feb as part of "The Great Resignation". My previous employer was very much pro-rude in the workplace, while my new employer is very much anti-rude in the workplace. I'm certainly much happier in the new workplace and would most definitely support "discrimination" against rude people at any future employer.
     
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